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I think we can both agree that Del Toro faced a genuine dilemma - he didn't have any good options, just bad and worse... Which of those is which we'll disagree on, but worth noting he came away with 2nd rather than 3rd, which for a 21 yr old in his second GT is pretty good.

In reality, UAE screwed this up, as @mididoctors has emphasised, by a) letting WVA get in the break, b) not getting a UAE in and then c) not controlling it, so Wout was available for the descent. If they'd kept the break at 3-4 minutes or so then Wout would have pulled a bit up Finestre and then popped. Presumably they wanted the break gone to get bonus seconds out of the picture (sprint halfway up Finestre and on the stage).

The next mistake, possibly, was Del Toro closing Carapaz himself at the first attack, instead of using his team, though EF had been smashing it so I'm not sure what he had to work with at that point, will have to rewatch that.

I think it's pretty clear that with such a long hard climb Del Toro and his DS were worried about his ability to cope with it and were genuinely concerned he might pop. He was very conservative in how he closed (progressive rather than snap closing). He genuinely believed that if he worked on the climb he'd be mugged by Carapaz and the elastic would snap. Given Carapaz was throwing in attacks all over the place (e.g. when Gee caught up and was leading them, why Gee? Why Carapaz?) he was definitely not wrong about this. Carapaz would have gone over the top, snapped the elastic, and given his descending would likely have opened the gap further on the descent. The moment Del Toro went over his limit he'd be mincemeat.

Simon was incredibly strong and underestimated by everyone, inc. notable posters here ;)

When they come over the top everything is still marginal, Yates had what, 1:40? They played a bit of call-my-bluff and neither were bluffing, Yates met Wout and the time gap explodes in a very short space of time. Game over.

1-40 was too much with WVA waiting up the road. If they realised this was the case they need to be much closer at the top. I think Del Toro on his own with no Wout claws enough back even at 1-40. Him fretting about Carapaz and Wout up the road probably made him realise it was gone. He should have ridden tempo much further down the climb. They started playing cat and mouse when the gap was 20 seconds. That was the killer.
 

mididoctors

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1-40 was too much with WVA waiting up the road. If they realised this was the case they need to be much closer at the top. I think Del Toro on his own with no Wout claws enough back even at 1-40. Him fretting about Carapaz and Wout up the road probably made him realise it was gone. He should have ridden tempo much further down the climb. They started playing cat and mouse when the gap was 20 seconds. That was the killer.

Ok so if Wout is there .... What is the biggest gap del Toro could afford at the top to s Yates ?
 

Dogtrousers

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Cycling can be weird. I know there are ins and outs, ups and downs, chess on wheels, bla bla bla but it does make me shout "oh FFS" when I see things like those two farting about like a couple of track sprinters on Finestre.

It was the same when Kristen Faulkner mugged Kopecky and Vos in the Olympic road race and they just looked at each other. FFS! Now in that case Vos said they were done for and couldn't respond but all the same it looks ... well ... weird.
 
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T4tomo

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UAE should have had Adam Yates or McNulty drop some time a stage or two earlier, they could have then been allowed to piddle off up the road on breaks like Wout could, a bit of DS naivety and the 'when Pog isn't here we all want a shot a winning" issue in that team.
Made themselves look like a classic Movistar team.
Visma had Simon Yates as a sole GC rider, Wout as an all round god and Kooiijjjiioo for the sprints. Very tricky to get distracted from the job in hand with that set up....
 

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UAE should have had Adam Yates or McNulty drop some time a stage or two earlier, they could have then been allowed to piddle off up the road on breaks like Wout could, a bit of DS naivety and the 'when Pog isn't here we all want a shot a winning" issue in that team.
Made themselves look like a classic Movistar team.
Visma had Simon Yates as a sole GC rider, Wout as an all round god and Kooiijjjiioo for the sprints. Very tricky to get distracted from the job in hand with that set up....

The psychological advantage of having Wout up the road must have been significant.
 

mididoctors

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Cycling can be weird. I know there are ins and outs, ups and downs, chess on wheels, bla bla bla but it does make me shout "oh FFS" when I see things like those two farting about like a couple of track sprinters on Finestre.

Carapaz emptied his tank and Del Torro had nothing left.

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That false flat over the top was crucial to Yates. Seemed as though he made as much time gain in the last 7km's as he did in 4.5km's (?) up the climb on his own. It looked like a headwind and Yates got the most out of being towed along.
Although, I think DT and CZ had given up the fight by then.

It is one thing for WvA to get in the breakaway but it's another to stay in the leading group over that par cours. Much credit to him. Hopefully back to top form after the Vuelta crash now and can capitalise on it.
 
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