Have you ever been fobbed off by a job offer?

[marinyork]

I would get in contact with the low pay commission. I don't mean that in a be ranty about it and they'll sort it out kind of way, I just think they would be interested to hear from you. They do a lot of work in this exact area and this is quite a devious and more unusual example.

I wouldn't be able to offer an opinion as to whether it is worth you taking it on or not, I don't know your motives. I would generally be suspicious about a 6 month offering that has 3 months unpaid training and no promises whatsoever. I think that they've probably offered this offer to several people and seeing which one of you is best. One person will end up getting more hours than the rest of you (that I suspect will be low in anycase). I sympathise with how bad things are jobwise right now. A lot of jobs out there are very low hours, you're basically talking about taking a hit to do something. Be aware that you're allowed to do upto 15hrs a week whilst claiming jobseeker's allowance, but be very careful on that one. Very, very careful.

 

[ELL]

Are you sure all the dates on the letter are training days?

It could be that these are your working days and training will be at other times.

 

[Speicher]

Are you sure all the dates on the letter are training days?

It could be that these are your working days and training will be at other times.

That is how I read it, as well.

 

[Matthew_T]

If they wanted volunteers they should have just asked for them.

They have already got volunteers. TBH more than the amount of children they have there.

 

[Matthew_T]

Are you sure all the dates on the letter are training days?

It could be that these are your working days and training will be at other times.

Well as i am supposed to start on Saturday, paid or not, I havent even had a CRB check yet which would be very lucky to come back before that date.

I have already contacted him and declined the offer though, so no going back. Plus it isnt the type of work I am really looking for, it was just something to get easy money.

 

[MossCommuter]

something to get easy money.

when you find something, be sure and share with the forum.

 

[potsy]

Are you sure all the dates on the letter are training days?

It could be that these are your working days and training will be at other times.

That is how I read it, as well.

And me.
Better luck next time Matthew

 

[MissTillyFlop]

£6.25 an hour?! I wouldn't set my alarm for that!

 

[vernon]

I don't see what the problem is.

The offer was genuine and appears to be for paid work on the specified dates with training on extra days when pay will not be issued.

There's not a lot of difference between paying one's own contributions out of the gross pay rather than the charity doing it out of the same wage on your behalf. The pay rate is comfortably above the national minimum rate of £4.98 per hour. It is a charity which is likely to be poorly funded and not a bank with cellars full of dosh so higher expectations of wages are totally unrealistic.

It beats me why the OP bothered applying.

I think that his gripes are groundless.

I hope that he does a lot more research before applying for other jobs.

 

[biggs682]

does not sound like the best offer must admit

 

[Night Train]

When I was teaching the training, staff development and teacher training days were all unpaid.

 

[marinyork]

I don't see what the problem is.

There's not a lot of difference between paying one's own contributions out of the gross pay rather than the charity doing it out of the same wage on your behalf. The pay rate is comfortably above the national minimum rate of £4.98 per hour. It is a charity which is likely to be poorly funded and not a bank with cellars full of dosh so higher expectations of wages are totally unrealistic.

The low pay commission takes a similar opinion to me that it is of great concern the trend the last five years where more and more employers have been paying the lower rate(s) of the national minimum wage for 16-20 year olds, whereas in the past they tended to pay higher. So although it is in a sense good that they haven't gone to the lowest level, that's more a minimum expectation really (even though it's not literally the lowest it can go). We shouldn't really be getting very excited. Really as an 18 year old he should be getting paid the same as every other new starter which the main NMW is £6.08 an hour. The low pay commission is also very worried about the sort of fiddles like unpaid training and alike that goes on. Generally there is a blurring between volunteering, internships and low paid jobs that is getting much, much worse. As a nation we spend a lot less on wages than when you were a youngster vernon.

For people like night train I'd urge them to see things through the life of a young person rather than saying from the point of view of being better off that it never did them any harm type comments.

 

[Night Train]

For people like night train I'd urge them to see things through the life of a young person rather than saying from the point of view of being better off that it never did them any harm type comments.

It was meant the other way round. There are crappy jobs out there. All of my previous jobs paid for staff development and training. All the unpaid work time I had to do effectively prevented me from being able to earn a decent wage by having paid work.
That's no good for a mature person nor a young person.

Young people may require additional training for some jobs but that is something the employer requires and so should be covered if they want to employ someone who they know would not have the skills or experience required.

Having worked with young people for a good many years I can see the difficulties they face, especially the 'no job - no experience, no experience - no job' catch.
It has to start somewhere and sometimes it is through voluntary work but often they require an income just like everyone else.

Were I to apply for a job now I will find it difficult and will likely require some training. I would like that to be paid on the job training but I can imagine that I will come across the same thing that Matthew is seeing now.

Not all employers are good or fair. Many people, young and older, may not have much choice.

 

[Arch]

Plus it isnt the type of work I am really looking for, it was just something to get easy money.

Lesson one. Easy money is a rare thing.

If you're after easy money, a charity is a stupid place to look, especially now. If you're prepared to do something you don't care about in order to get money, get a job in a call centre or Tesco. Don't waste a charity's time applying and declining.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

just something to get easy money.

Give us a shout when your boat comes in. It is called 'work' for a reason!