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Vapin' Joe

Formerly known as Smokin Joe
I've been toying with the idea of getting a Freesat HD box to replace the Sky I've got now (which can go to the TV upstairs). Does HD make much difference on a 32" TV, or is it just for the larger screens?

I've seen the HD decoders for around £75.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
It does. Opinions vary widely on it though. My view on it is that if you have half decent eyesight then it's obvious on 26" and above screens, whereas by the time you get to 37" it is scream in your face obvious. Other people say 32" is the minimum. On this basis that's still a yes.

The problem is the picture quality varies enormously for what reaches your set it ranges right through from pretty good such as BBC1 right through to godawful picture quality on things like news and music channels and a few middling names like ITV4 that should be a lot better than they are but sadly aren't.

Thinking of tangible examples for you, you watch some terrestrial football don't you smokin Joe? There's a gigantic difference between ITV1 (one of the weakest channels picture wise) and ITV1 HD. Formula 1 will be in HD for this year, which I reckon will be a huge improvement from the extremely irritating mushovision we had to endure with ITV and the half decent picture on BBC1. Unfortunately MOTD isn't in HD yet, but as we speak they are working hard on studios in manchester which we are promised will mean so. It should also mean (theoretically) that a lot of other BBC sport makes it into HD, although I wouldn't hold out too much on that one.

Whether it is worth buying is up to you. You'll only get BBC1 HD, BBC HD (a weird mix) and ITV1 HD. At present. That may and hopefully change in future. Unfortunately a lot of other HD versions of the sorts of channels on freeview and freesat are signed up to contracts with sky. They may appear on freesat eventually (3,4,5 years down the line). For the money, if you're going to get a HD receiver I'd get a humax and get the PVR recording facilities. It's more money, but worth it in the long run imho.
 

martint235

Dog on a bike
Location
Welling
I'd echo User's comment. HD really makes a difference when you have fast movement on a predominantly one colour background eg football, tennis etc. When I first bought my Sony HD TV I found watching sport was pretty awful until I tied it with a Sky HD box
 

cisamcgu

Legendary Member
Location
Merseyside-ish
We have an HD TV (32") and Virgin HD. Sport, tennis especially, is much better, but for many things I honestly cannot tell the difference. (The Virgin HD came free with the Virgin+ box)
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Sport is a huge improvement, but I would say many other sorts of programmes benefit a great deal. Even within sports, snooker which has a fairly static and slow moving (not when Ronnie is playing) screen compared to most sports is much better. On BBC2 and especially eurosport and eurosport 2 the picture is drab, shabby and huge pixelisation despite a very easy picture to deal with. On Eurosport HD the shadows on the ball immediately jump out at you, the colours are more vibrant. It's a shame I prefer the BBC commentary.

Even comparing stuff I'm not interested in and don't watch if you compare BBC Breakfast news to Daybreak, the ITV shoe strung equivalent slaughters the mighty resources of the beeb. Sitcoms, better. Films are a lot better I would say, generally acknowledge to be the second best improvement after sport. Nature docs can be a lot better. Soaps are noticeably better. Lark rise isn't too shabby. Neither was Mad Men when it was on the BBC which looked particularly bad on the weaker picture quality of BBC Four. I'm really struggling to think of something not improved that much, usually it's because the producers made a right pigs ear of it like gardener's world.

Anyway not that I'm a particular enthusiast about it but sound is a lot better on some of the HD channels vs nearly all other SD channels. You have 5.1 Dolby Digital on some HD channels. Even without a sophisticated set up the sound is noticeably better. I would say there are three broad improvements on HD broadcasts - the sharpness and reduced artifacts, the huge improvement in colour palette and the improved sound.
 

ACW

Well-Known Member
Location
kilmaurs
i have just set up a freesat dish over Christmas and the picture quality is worth it over the standard but the extra freesat channels on offer are at best crap. its all old movies shopping tv or god tv
 
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Vapin' Joe

Vapin' Joe

Formerly known as Smokin Joe
i have just set up a freesat dish over Christmas and the picture quality is worth it over the standard but the extra freesat channels on offer are at best crap. its all old movies shopping tv or god tv
No different to the free Sky channels I've got now.

The crappiest one is Freeview, no ITV4 down here and a picture that braks up in bad weather.
 

Davidc

Guru
Location
Somerset UK
I have a 32" set running from Freesat HD. Noticeable inprovement on the 32" set for BBC1 BBC HD and ITV1.

As I'm not prepared to pay the huge fees for Sky I'll just have to wait for the rest. I think the regulators at Ofcom have let us all down badly over that.
 
We went for a 37" set and with our Freesat box IMO there's a big difference in picture quality from the Sky+ box it replaced.

I echo the comment about quality channels. Freesat needs more of them. If we were to set up our 'favourites', I think there would only be about 10 channels in the list. We don't watch huge amounts of live tv, but find we resort to storing documentaries and episodes of drama series up on the pvr and watching them whenever there's nothing much on the live channels of an evening (which seems to be quite often!). Haven't got round to setting up iPlayer on it yet - and ITV Player is coming soon - but I think these will add value to our Freesat box too.
 

marinyork

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Location
Logopolis
Just to add there's been an update the last week or so. Channel4 HD will now officially be joining Freesat sometime in april, so there'll be four HD channels on freesat - BBC1 HD, ITV1 HD, BBC HD and Channel4 HD.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
That's interesting - where did you hear about that?

Been a rumour for quite some time, but it was made official a week ago. http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/index.php/c4hd-to-launch-on-freesat and channel 4 have mentioned it and numerous other sources. Not been a bad time with red button and promises of other stuff. I'm hoping the BBC will be making announcements of their road plan for HD soon with Salford nearly finished.

Not sure where it's going, might go on Tx 50 on 2D as an intermediate measure before new satellite capacity goes up in the summer.
 

threebikesmcginty

Corn Fed Hick...
Location
...on the slake
Yes, connect your foxsat box to your router with an ethernet cable and off you go!

Cheers Mort. Bummer though, TV's in the front room and the router's in the study. There's a BT socket by the TV, could I make my Mac into a wifi jobbie or is there a simpler way?

As Douglas Adams said - "We are stuck with technology when what we really want is just stuff that works"
 
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