He touched my car
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First you say that its bad to treat cars as street furniture, now you say its bad to treat street furniture with disrespect (except for some street furniture...) - so what exactly did you mean by the comparison?
As an intelligent adult (sic) I have my own views on this matter, but I also respect yours (whatever they in fact turn out to be) which is why I'm trying to get to the bottom of them
[QUOTE 2127428, member: 9609"]I genuinely don't get this obsession people have with their cars, I really do not see what is so special about them at all and I am utterly perplexed why people spend so much money on them.[/quote]
I have no obsession about cars, which is why I suggested the analogy of having a picnic in someone's garden, to try and get those who are obsessed with the things to consider their viewpoint without the emotional baggage. Unfortunately, some who do have an obsession keep bringing the discussion back to cars, which doesn't allow them to see past their blinkers.
I would have an issue with people leaning on my stuff, whether that was my garden fence, my front door or my car. For instance, we often get people turning round in our driveway. Other than a few gouges in the paving, it causes little disruption to us but the few times that I've been out there when it has happened, I've left the driver concerned in no doubt what his future brings if he does it again.
I am willing to lend things to almost anyone, if they ask first, even my bikes. Park on my drive, picnic in my garden, sit on my bike or rest on my car without asking first is presumptuous and rude and I'll have no qualms from pointing that out.
My old Land Rover was beaten to a pulp and there was nothing which could be done to make it look good so I had no issues with people leaning on it... or even standing on it when it was handy as a viewing platform. My newer Renault, however, has many plastic panels which deform easily and I'd be a tad concerned that someone leaning on it would be surprised when the panel moved under their lambskin gloved fingers and fell off in shock.
By the same token, I'd have no issue with someone taking a picnic in the local park, whereas I'd be vexed if someone tried it in my front garden, not least because it is mostly slate and limestone shale and you could never get your rug to lie flat.
I have no obsession about cars, which is why I suggested the analogy of having a picnic in someone's garden, to try and get those who are obsessed with the things to consider their viewpoint without the emotional baggage. Unfortunately, some who do have an obsession keep bringing the discussion back to cars, which doesn't allow them to see past their blinkers.
I would have an issue with people leaning on my stuff, whether that was my garden fence, my front door or my car. For instance, we often get people turning round in our driveway. Other than a few gouges in the paving, it causes little disruption to us but the few times that I've been out there when it has happened, I've left the driver concerned in no doubt what his future brings if he does it again.
I am willing to lend things to almost anyone, if they ask first, even my bikes. Park on my drive, picnic in my garden, sit on my bike or rest on my car without asking first is presumptuous and rude and I'll have no qualms from pointing that out.
I can't answer for others and I wouldn't do anything to street furniture which might cause any damage, but I can see that there could be a distinction because cars (and gardens and houses) are someone's personal property and there is a pride of ownership and of keeping them looking good. Street furniture is 'public' property which no individual can take personal pride in possessing or maintaining.
My old Land Rover was beaten to a pulp and there was nothing which could be done to make it look good so I had no issues with people leaning on it... or even standing on it when it was handy as a viewing platform. My newer Renault, however, has many plastic panels which deform easily and I'd be a tad concerned that someone leaning on it would be surprised when the panel moved under their lambskin gloved fingers and fell off in shock.
By the same token, I'd have no issue with someone taking a picnic in the local park, whereas I'd be vexed if someone tried it in my front garden, not least because it is mostly slate and limestone shale and you could never get your rug to lie flat.
Madness, in a thread entitled "He touched my car"!
it's an entirely reasonable view, and entirely at one with Adrian's emollient personalityThat's better
#3. the WHOLE thing though? Are you sure? That's a very extreme view, not dissimilar to some fanatics wouldn't you say.
back with your boots on?
it's not a question of the whole car. It's a question of the car in our street, the fumes in our lungs, the noise in our living rooms, the forward projection of the car that means that if I want to talk to my neighbour I must do it on the footpath and not in the centre of the street that connects our houses.............it really is difficult to know where to start other than to say that 'your property' is not indivisible, is not, at a time when it occupies, obstructs, holds sway over, disfigures, commands, and privatises public space, entirely yours, and there are a million accommodations to be made some of which may not be entirely to your liking, but you should console yourself with the knowledge that cars hold sway in our towns to an inordinate extent and a bit of leaning is a very, very small price to pay when the more rational, equitable and enjoyable settlement would be to put the lot of them up on bricks and turn them over to homeless people, cats and itinerant sculptors.
Next you'll be telling us you don't want kids playing football in the street if your car is parked there. You lot are entirely responsible for the national football team being crap and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
correct. And when I put my hand on your car that's an analogy as well
(this is a bit like taking candy from a baby)
Next!
see Gods of the Road above. We are the new aristocracy of London's streets. If we feel superior, then, frankly, it's because we are. While others fret in tin cans we swan by, head in air, whistling arias from Carmen or Rigoletto, picking our teeth with one hand and scratching our arses with the other - in fact it's a wonder that we have the time (or the hands) to lean on cars. You should be so lucky!We're getting there.
I'm going to be a tad critical of you here, hope you don't take offence.
What you are saying (society needs to take a long hard look at car ownership) makes a lot of sense, but If you are going to enlighten people and you want people to listen and take on board your comments, the first thing you need to do is get them on your side. Start by posting your belief at the start of the thread, not at the end. Don't make snide insinuations throughout the thread on the premise that we should know what your true belief is.
When I view your posts they give an air of superiority. You're no better or no worse than any one of us here. I hope I am wrong here and I have personally mis-read you. Another poster has vouched for your offline personality and I'll take that at face value.
Norm - you've been spending too much time with the Windsors. I think you need to take a breath and calm down. And, you're in luck, because I have the perfect recipe for calmness.I have no obsession about cars, which is why I suggested the analogy of having a picnic in someone's garden, to try and get those who are obsessed with the things to consider their viewpoint without the emotional baggage. Unfortunately, some who do have an obsession keep bringing the discussion back to cars, which doesn't allow them to see past their blinkers.
I would have an issue with people leaning on my stuff, whether that was my garden fence, my front door or my car. For instance, we often get people turning round in our driveway. Other than a few gouges in the paving, it causes little disruption to us but the few times that I've been out there when it has happened, I've left the driver concerned in no doubt what his future brings if he does it again.
I am willing to lend things to almost anyone, if they ask first, even my bikes. Park on my drive, picnic in my garden, sit on my bike or rest on my car without asking first is presumptuous and rude and I'll have no qualms from pointing that out.
I can't answer for others and I wouldn't do anything to street furniture which might cause any damage, but I can see that there could be a distinction because cars (and gardens and houses) are someone's personal property and there is a pride of ownership and of keeping them looking good. Street furniture is 'public' property which no individual can take personal pride in possessing or maintaining.
My old Land Rover was beaten to a pulp and there was nothing which could be done to make it look good so I had no issues with people leaning on it... or even standing on it when it was handy as a viewing platform. My newer Renault, however, has many plastic panels which deform easily and I'd be a tad concerned that someone leaning on it would be surprised when the panel moved under their lambskin gloved fingers and fell off in shock.
By the same token, I'd have no issue with someone taking a picnic in the local park, whereas I'd be vexed if someone tried it in my front garden, not least because it is mostly slate and limestone shale and you could never get your rug to lie flat.
Abstain from analogies. They're rubbish, and the rubbishness causes occlusions in your bonce. This is not 'as' that. That is not 'like' this. All those boundaries you have around things, whether they be physical things or ideas, are not continuous lines of even colour and thickness. Life is one long mess of shared and shifting meanings, understandings and accommodations. If you can say anything about it, it's that society is a series of arrangements, none of which are fixed and none of which are permanent, but all of which are designed, in a temporary, partial kind of way to allow people to get on...........albeit that the getting on is often much more to the advantage of some people than others.
