Headphones and Cycling! Is it safe?

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Would the people vilifying the use of earphones please say whether they use a mirror on their bike?

If not, then why not?

After all you are reducing the effectiveness of your rearwards vision, no?

Do you drive a vehicle or ride a motorbike?

Does it have a mirror fitted, and do you find it useful?

No i don't use a mirror on my bike... I have this useful built in aid called my neck which can turn around when needed!!!! And to be honest you only have to ask most people who commute to work in a city on here to tell you that 90% of drivers fail to use their mirrors in the correct fashion anyhow....
Bike mirrors are for old people with arthritus in their neck...lol
 

ComedyPilot

Secret Lemonade Drinker
Fair do's, but my mirror enables me to see EVERYTHING behind me, with no need to constantly take all my vision off the road in front.

My eyes can roll in their sockets to see the mirror, and also afford me peripheral vision of the road in front (where, incidently I'm heading). Looking back over the shoulder affords me a rearward glance, but no forward vision whatsoever.

As a vehicle gets closer I will do a quick 'lifesaver' over my shoulder. This will do 2 things: confirm the vehicles proximity, and let the driver know I know they are there.

.................................And I get to listen to Take That greatest hits at the same time - bonza!
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
I rather think mirrors are a red herring too - to me they're an aid to looking, and don't replace the looking however it's done. As for all the drivers not using their mirrors, sure, I agree, but the same goes for the many cyclists not looking behind enough either.I use mirrors on the recumbent, but don't need them on my upright fixed wheel.
 

Norm

Guest
I rather think mirrors are a red herring too - to me they're an aid to looking, and don't replace the looking however it's done. As for all the drivers not using their mirrors, sure, I agree, but the same goes for the many cyclists not looking behind enough either.I use mirrors on the recumbent, but don't need them on my upright fixed wheel.
+1 to all of that, other than the bit about the 'bent but only because I don't have one! :biggrin:

The action of using a mirror also isn't seen be drivers around you, whereas a driver seeing you looking over your shoulder might turn you from a cyclist into a human and might also be interpreted as a precursor to another action, such as moving across your lane.
 

Bill Gates

Guest
Location
West Sussex
Music/radio in a car is not generally considered to be distracting, and is normal practice. It's not comparable with the distraction of a mobile phone call, so that analogy is not a very good one, IMO.

.......and if the music was exceptionally loud? Like wearing headphones so that you couldn't hear anything else?.......and this wouldn't affect your concentration. Try typing at the keyboard or reading a book whilst wearing headphones and then without. If there's a difference then it's down to concentration. Same happens on a bike.

Sh!t happens enough on the road as it is without adding to the danger of tilting the odds against safety. Personally I like to control all things controllable. Using my ears is controllable.
 
I do it quite easily thankyou...but as I have heard these songs so many times I find it easy to switch off to them and easy to listen to when things aren't so hectic.Check out my videos if you doubt my concentration.

Not that I really want you to or care if you do but I was just trying to put through a point.
 
Oh yeah...I don't have the music loud as I don't want to go deaf....Pardon?:whistle:
 

shouldbeinbed

Rollin' along
Location
Manchester way
I tried a mirror once, but found it shook around too much to be useful. Unless I just had a rubbish one?


you did. Zefal Spy mirror for any bike type or Zefal Doobck for flat/slightly moustachioed bars - no arms between clamp/plug and mirror to shake about so both are remarkably stable even on the worst roads that I've been on & over 1/4 mile of cobbles.

I've not read this through from the start and might even have posted way back when on this, but on impairments:

I ride with previously broken vertibrae & significant muscle damage in my neck and turn my head very rarely because of the rotational problems this still gives, so I can sympathise with the 'compensatory sense' argument of long term headphone wearers because I am a perfectly safe rider with mirrors - 10 years since I broke it, no accidents or near misses down to me / not seeing something behind. I use my ears far more and to far better effect since my accident that ever before it.

I don't wear headphones because I've already got one impaired sense in my rearward vision and don't want to make things any worse by deliberately hamstringing another one. I've got headphones galore of many types which I use when hill & dog walking and indoors but never as a pedestrian as all of them cut out noise to some degree or another & all by too much for my personal comfort zone with cars around.
Radio on my desk at work and someone wanders up behind me = I hear them, headphones in = it takes a tap on the shoulder to get my attention. Translate that to the roads and the thing tapping me on the shoulder will be a ton and a half and doing 30 odd mph.

Also the distraction of music piped direct into your head is more akin to a mobile phone pressed to your ear than ambient speakers otherwise car stereos would be prohibited and there'd be plenty of the grumpy rider types haranguing motorists over their radios in the same way they do their mobiles.

Would any of the pro-headphoners ever dare to cycle with one eye taped shut or with something cutting out half the vision in both of them, or a virtual reality goggle on, playing a film you really like direct into one eye or partly into both?

but going back off topic, bringing (decent) mirrors into the argument is spurious as they enhance what you're seeing by giving you simultaneous front and rear vision, or compensate for a physical failing in my case, rather than being used to block part of your sensory arsenal.
 

shouldbeinbed

Rollin' along
Location
Manchester way
+1 to all of that, other than the bit about the 'bent but only because I don't have one! :biggrin:

The action of using a mirror also isn't seen be drivers around you, whereas a driver seeing you looking over your shoulder might turn you from a cyclist into a human and might also be interpreted as a precursor to another action, such as moving across your lane.

I tend to indicate this by sticking my arm out before I change lane or direction. far more definite (no might caveat needed with an arm stuck out) and visible than a head turn, which would last for less time than an outstretched arm and which is far more easily missed by the driver or misinterpreted as a routine backward glance just to see whats there (as per most decent motorists who use their car mirrors at other times than when executing a change manouvre)
 

Bigsharn

Veteran
Location
Leeds
On regards to the original topic, what's wrong with mounting a set of battery powered speakers on the handlebars and just using them? Surely they're better (and somewhat safer) than headphones
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
No, Norm is absolutely right. Just indicating is nowhere near as good as a proper look back for interacting with drivers and getting them to treat you a little more nicely. Many drivers *hate* cyclists that are not seen to be looking back. For those that can't look back, this is a disadvantage. I'm closer to this than you might think given that it's hard to look back on the bent, so I compensate with better signalling.

Again, the mobile phone analogy is rubbish. Taping up one eye is also unrealistic. You need vision to ride P1, you don't need hearing.
 
I see plenty of cyclists moving out/going righ without looking back...I take it they are relying on their hearing.

Bank junction is a good example of this.
 
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