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Davidc

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Something I don't recall seeing in your posts, Bill, is whether you've actually asked for medical or other professional advice.

I have, from a cardiac consultant, a physiotherapist who specialises in cardiac rehabilitation, and a trainer, who also partly specialises in cardiac maintenance.

They all say that their advice is individual, based on a person's general physical condition, fitness, and strength. As I said earlier, in my case they've all said its the more the better, but with the proviso of not getting to 100% effort for more than a few seconds. That's just to give a little protection to the heart by leaving a bit in reserve.

Taking that advice I've been building up for the past 9 months, since I was allowed back on a bike. I now quite regularly ride up some of the steepest local hills, 15% and 300m climbs, and have ridden up to 55 miles in one go. The next stage will be to get average speeds up, with a target of 15 to 20 mph over 20 miles.

I have no interest in competing again, haven't done so for about 30 years, but want to go on enjoying cycling, and that means being able to travel up and down hills and cover a reasonable distance. I might have a go at a local sportive next year, or even the EE if I'm up to it.

Being fit, mainly from cycling, looks to have served me well when I had the MI. My underlying problem was congenital, and the bypass may overcome it, 'though it can't undo the muscle damage, so with a bit of luck it may keep me away from another heart attack, with regular cycling playing an important helping part.

If you want to train to compete, and doing the training is safe for you, it will keep you fit. Everything I've read or been told about heart attacks and their aftermath says that keeping fit is the best way to avoid further problems, and stay alive.

Even if the training kills you, at least you'll go enjoying youself, which has to be better than sitting around moping and miserable - a sure route to disaster.

If there are other components in your lifestyle which are known risk factors for heart disease it's up to you to decide what to do about them. If you're competing on a bike you're likely to want to not smoke and eat healthily for that rather than medical reasons. You might decide to take the risk and go flat out to win. All of these things involve assessing the risk and making your own decision. As does refusing certain drugs. In the end it's up to you what you do, what your priorities are, and whose advice you seek in making those decisions. I'd only suggest asking and listening to the replies, so you make the best informed decisions possible.
 

Davidc

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Bill Gates said:
Davidc

Just seen this and I'm going to order some. It's called Ateronon

http://www.drh.org.uk/category/exercise/

http://www.ateronon.co.uk/


Thank god for the internet eh?

Looks good.

I haven't had any bad reactions to statins, but have met number of people who, like you, have. An alternative may well help.

If it's effective perhaps the NHS will use it.

Don't quite see what the internet's got to do with it - presumably you found the advert there?
 
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Davidc said:
Something I don't recall seeing in your posts, Bill, is whether you've actually asked for medical or other professional advice.

I have, from a cardiac consultant, a physiotherapist who specialises in cardiac rehabilitation, and a trainer, who also partly specialises in cardiac maintenance.

They all say that their advice is individual, based on a person's general physical condition, fitness, and strength. As I said earlier, in my case they've all said its the more the better, but with the proviso of not getting to 100% effort for more than a few seconds. That's just to give a little protection to the heart by leaving a bit in reserve.


When you are climbing a steep hill it's difficult not to redline.

Davidc said:
If you want to train to compete, and doing the training is safe for you, it will keep you fit. Everything I've read or been told about heart attacks and their aftermath says that keeping fit is the best way to avoid further problems, and stay alive.

Even if the training kills you, at least you'll go enjoying youself, which has to be better than sitting around moping and miserable - a sure route to disaster.

I totally agree with that philosophy. For me life without some sort of physical challenge wouldn't be the same.

Davidc said:
If there are other components in your lifestyle which are known risk factors for heart disease it's up to you to decide what to do about them. If you're competing on a bike you're likely to want to not smoke and eat healthily for that rather than medical reasons. You might decide to take the risk and go flat out to win. All of these things involve assessing the risk and making your own decision. As does refusing certain drugs. In the end it's up to you what you do, what your priorities are, and whose advice you seek in making those decisions. I'd only suggest asking and listening to the replies, so you make the best informed decisions possible.

This new supplement looks the DB's. I'm going to give it a go.
 
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Davidc said:
Looks good.

If it's effective perhaps the NHS will use it.

Don't quite see what the internet's got to do with it - presumably you found the advert there?


They will and yes I googled "NHS statins athletes" to see what was the latest from our NHS I have seen nothing from them previously bearing in mind the warnings from Canada NHS was 3 years ago.

You know the very first post I made on the internet was August 2005 on the old cycling + about my experience with statins and I was attacked for my views. Looking back I was quite shocked at the time as I was honestly trying to help others who had no idea about the problems they could cause.

Now the medical establishment is finally waking up. Thank God.
 

Davidc

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When you are climbing a steep hill it's difficult not to redline.

Agree. What I do is to watch out for maxing, and stop for a rest. When breathing rate returns to normal I start again. I never used to do that - I always forced my body to just carry on.

As above - its risk management. I may keel over one day, but I won't be moping around taking it easy in my armchair!

You also mention physical challenge. I'm not always into the challenge bit, but if I go for long withot some serious exercise I start to feel sluggish, dozy, and ill.
 

Jonathan M

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Bill Gates said:
Davidc

Just seen this and I'm going to order some. It's called Ateronon

http://www.drh.org.uk/category/exercise/

http://www.ateronon.co.uk/


Thank god for the internet eh?

Check that there are no interactions with your other drug therapy first.
 

nigelnorris

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/poison


Like I said. Seems reasonable to me. :becool:
You can find a website to agree with anything if you look hard enough. And you're a believer Bill Gates. Could write it on a piece of bog roll and you'd believe it.

Then come here and try and spread the Big Word. OMGZ STATINS KILLS YOU AAALLLL. Bill Gates googled it so it must be true. Got to come here cos they laughed you out of C+ when you tried it there.

Just like this tomato pill nonsense you've been banging on about. £99 per quarter from Boots with no full scale testing or research done. I've got some beans here if you want to spend money Bill. Magic beans they are.
 
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nigelnorris said:
You can find a website to agree with anything if you look hard enough. And you're a believer Bill Gates. Could write it on a piece of bog roll and you'd believe it.

Then come here and try and spread the Big Word. OMGZ STATINS KILLS YOU AAALLLL. Bill Gates googled it so it must be true. Got to come here cos they laughed you out of C+ when you tried it there.

Just like this tomato pill nonsense you've been banging on about. £99 per quarter from Boots with no full scale testing or research done. I've got some beans here if you want to spend money Bill. Magic beans they are.

:becool:
 
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