Help Me Understand Generation Z!

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Beebo

Firm and Fruity
Location
Hexleybeef
To add to what you've said, in a lot of places the management structure has been hugely flattened, making it harder to inch your way to the top one tiny step at a time. It's a sorry situation, and in many respects I don't blame young people for feeling demotivated by what's on offer.

Plus pay rises are often only available if you leave.
I have moved jobs 4 times in 12 years, each time for a considerable payrise.
You dont get 10% payrises by staying in one company.
 

tadpole

Senior Member
Location
St George
To the people with children aged 3 and upwards.
If your kids don't help with the chores and the like, it's not their fault, it's yours. you're the ones who have failed to teach them about life, you're the one who has failed to instill discipline, you are the one who are now reaping what you've sown. I have no sympathy for you. I've a teenage daughter who was taught from an early age that responsibility comes before rights. Help in the house and chores to be done comes before TV and computing. It's too late now, just have to hope that your kids make a better job of parenting than you have.
 

Sara_H

Guru
My two who've left school don't seem to have any ambition. !7 yr old always said he wanted to be a chef, but is working as a kitchen hand in a pub. I think in a similar way to the "X factor" wannabe's, he thinks he'll be discovered by MasterChef one day while putting chips in the pub fryer. The fact that he can't cook to save his life doesn't seem to worry him too much.
He has no friends or social life and spends all his spare time playing x box. He spends his wages mostly on sweets.

The 19 year old flunked his a levels cos he didn't do any revision. He was in a band and they were very good. His band members then all buggered off to Uni and left him twiddling his thumbs. He's gone back to college to do a two year course, but clearly isn't putting in the required amount of effort. Completely different to his brother, he spends most of his time (and money) on his party lifestyle and is rarely at home, we've had to take his key off him because he takes every opportunity to have wild parties where the police have been called when we've been away.

Neither of them help out at home, and they don't contribute financially but then their main home is at their mum's house anyway, though she doesn't charge them board either.

I dread to think what would happen to these boys if they had to fend for themselves, I don't think they could TBH. I'm trying to bring my son up at bit differently, he already does quite a few chores and already knows that he'll be expected to contribute financially once he's left education.
 

MarkF

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Get him on a bike. Not only will it enable to get from place-to-place, but it will allow him to get fitter, and generally see more of the World around him.

How can I get him on a bike if I can't get him out of bed?

I am not being funny but short of using physical violence it's not possible to m.a.k.e a soon-to-be 20 year old man/boy do anything. I doubt there is anything that could be suggested that has not already been tried..........umpteen times.
 

Sara_H

Guru
The other thing is...... when I was at college (I did a pre-nursing course at an FE college) we had to go every day. My step son only does about 2.5 days a week and this is called a full time course!
 

Sara_H

Guru
How can I get him on a bike if I can't get him out of bed?

I am not being funny but short of using physical violence it's not possible to m.a.k.e a soon-to-be 20 year old man/boy do anything. I doubt there is anything that could be suggested that has not already been tried..........umpteen times.
This is the thing, they reach a stage where no one can make them do anything. My 17 yo step son is thouroughly unpleasant towards me, nothing anyone says or does makes any difference to his behaviour.
 

Mr Haematocrit

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Mine wanted to sit on her arse when she left school, we let her do this for two weeks and then laid down the law. She signed up for college the following week.
Upon leaving college she was left to sit on her arse for two weeks and then told she needs to get a job or move out.
She has now been with the same company for ten years and purchased her own car, and got a mortgage by the age of 25
She is in a loving and caring relationship with a really nice bloke because she did not settle for anything less.

I have spoken to her in detail about my treatment of her when she was younger and she admits that it was not what she wanted, but it was most certainly what she needed.
when I compare her even now to people she considered friends from school I feel she has done remarkably well. She is a bright, polite and hard working young lady.
I am simply so proud of her work ethics and morals, when she crashed her boyfriends car I offered to pay for it and she declined.
I have recently offered to buy her a number of cars to which she politely declines.. she asks for very little at all.

She is amazing and I'm so proud of the person she has become.
I can't say it was easy at times, but my job was not to be her friend it was to help her make the most of her life and I feel she is doing it.
 
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Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
Do you have any experience of being in a similar situation with any of your kids?

No. But I've had plenty of experience of people taking advantage of other people's good nature and being selfish. Let it go on, and they will never change.
 

Ganymede

Veteran
Location
Rural Kent
How can I get him on a bike if I can't get him out of bed?

I am not being funny but short of using physical violence it's not possible to m.a.k.e a soon-to-be 20 year old man/boy do anything. I doubt there is anything that could be suggested that has not already been tried..........umpteen times.
This is the thing, they reach a stage where no one can make them do anything. My 17 yo step son is thouroughly unpleasant towards me, nothing anyone says or does makes any difference to his behaviour.

Try moving house? That would shake things up....

NB Sara_H, at least your 17 year-old has a job, however lowly, in the field in which he has ambitions. Perhaps he'll meet someone there who can advise him. Being out at work broadens your influences, even if it's only the pub. And he's only 17. Sorry he's horrid to you though.
 

Sara_H

Guru
Try moving house? That would shake things up....

NB Sara_H, at least your 17 year-old has a job, however lowly, in the field in which he has ambitions. Perhaps he'll meet someone there who can advise him. Being out at work broadens your influences, even if it's only the pub. And he's only 17. Sorry he's horrid to you though.

Luckily for me I have no need to move house as he lives most of the time at his Mums. He's banned from my house at the minute after an episode of particularly nasty verbal abuse between christmas and new year. Sad, but true :sad:
 

screenman

Squire
It would seem I have been extremely lucky with my 3 boys after reading some of the posts on here.

The youngest and only one still at home has a nice breakfast in bed at 6.30am every morning, his mums choice not his.
He has completed his maths degree and is now doing a PGSE course, his intention after completing is to join the Navy or Air Force.
He has been a retained fireman since he was 18 and has sacrificed hundreds kf nights out with mates over the years due to being on call. He has taken every course the fire has offered him and is the main driver of the big red thing.
He has toys as in nice car, motorbike, road bike and MTB both nice. Along with all this he has enough saved up for a deposit on a house. Currently training for his first marathon, he dropped playing rugby for Lincoln when it got in the way of studies.

Am I proud of him you bet I am, ask him to wash the cars, cut the grass and it is done without moans. On top of all this we take £50 a week housekeeping.

I cannot help to think he takes after the wife more than he does me, for sure she is a better Mum than I a dad.
 

screenman

Squire
Ooops! So not all kids of that age are lazy or the suchlike. As for my other 2 well they come out of the same mould and have been the same.
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

Attributed to Plato, Socrates and a paraphrasing of Aristphanes - take your pick. It's not the accuracy of the attribution but the spirit of the words that's important.
 
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