Help with identifying Freddie Grubb Frame

[Reborncoyote]

The frame number stamping on this one is in a similar position to a Pennine i had a while back from memory

Thanks.. I’ll check this out

 

[Reborncoyote]

I think you are correct in the date of the frame going by the style of lugs and seat post stays. The frame is similar in appearance to my 70's Holdsworth Record in the style of lugs and the finish to the ends of the thicker seat post stays.
As Freddie Grubb and Claud Butler were part of Holdsworth during that period I wonder how much influence each company had on it's designs. I think a bit like Carlton and Raleigh.

Thanks for your research illaveago - much appreciated

 

[Reborncoyote]

Try the wayback machine on https://archive.org/web/ A quick glance there shows snapshots have been taken of the website referred to by @Cycleops

Thanks Buzzer ...will check it out.

 

[Reborncoyote]

Has it got a Milremo handlebar stem ?

Atax

 

[Reborncoyote]

To me it's a typical 70's frame with Italian style long lugs, Cinelli MC style of fork crown and zero braze ons. The geometry is of that era too. Just doesn't look very Freddie Grub. Iirc the FG badge was quite small and the holes on the frame look quite wide apart.

How wide is the BB shell?

About 67mm

 

[rogerzilla]

The Atax was a fairly inexpensive cast stem. It looks cool but isn't anywhere near as strong as a forged one. Best kept for display rather than riding.

 

[midlife]

Interesting reading...

http://theheadbadge.blogspot.com/2012/08/death-stems-demystified-ava-and-atax.html

 

[Illaveago]

What is the distance between the hole centres of the head badge ?

 

[midlife]

About 67mm

Not some odd Italian jobby then...

 

[classic33]

Similar?
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/bikes/grubb55-rb.html

 

[Reborncoyote]

Similar?
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/bikes/grubb55-rb.html

Yes there are similarities. Thanks for this Classic 33

 

[AllinNut]

Yes there are similarities. Thanks for this Classic 33

Bit

 

[AllinNut]

Bit late with this - Grubb frame number 20454 would date from 1964-66 and the Agrati dropouts are consistent with this date. The frame has been plated later in my view. The long spear points on the Prugnat lugs seem to me to indicate that this is a 'Tourmalet' model. The frame would have carried the 'crossed flag' style headbadge and the holes will be spaced approx 58 mm. The earlier headbadge (Man on Bike) was spaced 45 mm and was used up to 1964. A full set of decals for this machine can be found at H Lloyd and new head badges turn up regularly. Hope that this helps

 

[Reborncoyote]

Thanks very much for this AllinNut..very interesting. The distance between the holes on my frame is 67mm indicating much bigger badge?

 

[PedalPedantic]

www.nkilgariff.com is back up if anyone wants to research F. H. Grubb or Freddie Grubb. Reborn, did you find out anything conclusive about the marque/year of your frame? Your headbadge rivet hole spacing pretty much rules out a Grubb. The location of the b.b. number is not in the usual place (n.d.s.) for a Holdsworth Grubb, as well.