no not at all Arch, that's what i mean by hi-viz. When i say hi-viz i mean my fluorescent jacket with reflective stripes, which i wear mainly because it's got reflective stripes, not 'cos it's yellow, but some people seem to think hi-viz means just the type of yellow the body of it is coloured. As far as i can tell hi-viz means just that, high visibility, i.e. anything that enables you to be seen better -reflectives do that.