tdr1nka
Taking the biscuit
- Location
- SE London, Bandit Country
Close Dell, but no cigar.
Bollo said:...
I've seen some related material at my littl'n's school. The overriding message is "look out for yourselves kids, because the important adults don't have the time to give a toss."
jonesy said:That's exactly what is wrong with the approach to road safety in this country. It continues to place greatest responsibility on the most vulnerable and least able to take responsibility. As I've pointed out before, this attitude would never be acceptable in any other area of health and safety. If you were an employer with a hazardous workplace and relied on fear messages instead of making the environment safer, you'd end up in jail.
Crackle said:Is the fear message any different to don't play on railway lines or don't swim in quarries/pools. It is after all, aimed at kids who view these things in an entirely different way to adults.
After all kids should wear helmets so how do you get that message to them?
What a strange comment. If you believe this, then you should never criticise anything the government does.Crackle said:The analogy is no different to your workplace/roads one. In both cases legislation reflects what the general public want.
I also see no evidence that this campaign is a shirking of responsibility, it's just a campaign amongst many other road safety campaigns. The first main line is about falling off and hitting the dirt, no mention of being walloped by a car. Seems to me it's more about kids protecting themselves if they come off.
Anyway, you didn't answer my question as to how you'd get the message across or justification of why you don't think it needs getting across?
dellzeqq said:do any of us (and Jonesy is more likely to know than any other) know whether child cyclists are suffering head injuries?
I see kids on roller skates and on scooters wearing helmets. Is there any evidence to suggest that this is worthwhile?
Crackle said:So now I had to rubout my first reply to consider your second - Harrumph!
But unfortunately it looks like you didn't make proper use of them!I think it's necessary to consider not just cycling injuries but general head injuries which are higher in kids due to the greater mass of their head in proportion to their body and the fact it's not fully formed so prone to greater injury. The stats probably don't spell it out but if my two are anything to go by, the need to push themselves to their limits also makes it more likely they'll have accidents, several so far.
jonesy said:But unfortunately it looks like you didn't make proper use of them!
How can the bit in bold be an argument for cycle helmets? Not even BHIT claims that helmets can help reduce injuries that aren't caused by cycling!