I wasn't sure whether to put this in Family or Touring, it's kind of both. I normally commute to work on a hybrid, but being a commuter bike it's set up a bit more like a tourer than a hybrid, it has full mudguards and a rear rack (Tortec Tour) with a couple of altura panniers for to carry shopping and work clothing, documents etc. My little girl has just reached one year old last month and I'd like to take her out on the bike and still carry a pannier or two for the shopping, or the baby change stuff and whatever else, but my options at my local bike shop appear to be non-starters. They have a range of child seats, but the shop assistant assures me they certainly won't fit on the bike while I have my rear rack fitted (I doubt this one, but a physical guestimate at the shop was inconclusive). They further say that I can't use panniers as the little one's feet go where the panniers are supposed to go. (This one seems to carry more weight, pardon the pun). They basically said it's either: 1) Lose the rear rack, and fit a seat. They say there is no such thing as child seat plus panniers. 2) Fit a trailer, although even that might not fit over a rear rack. (I'm not sure about whether that would be true). They suggested I ask on my local friendly cycle forum for ideas, and I've not been here for a while, so here I am. Are they talking shite? Or is there a way to carry a little one plus a couple of shopping bags? To be honest I'd rather avoid the trailer if possible as her view will be rubbish at best.