How To Improve Commuter Safety (Tell me your pain points and wildest ideas)

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Dogtrousers

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implementing into a helmet or maybe handlebar-mounted system)
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Also think about the safety issues created by mounting something to a protective device.
Good point. If you look at the small print of the instruction leaflet that came with your helmet (if you use one that is) you will probably see a warning not to attach anything to it. Like this from a random Specialized helmet manual that I just googled
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classic33

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You are almost certainly correct on this point.

Regarding safety and commuting, there are threats that you can't control - mainly unobservant drivers- and ones that you can - your own rashness/poor decision making.

I have to be honest, and in my commuting days most of the scares I had could have been avoided by starting out 10 minutes earlier and just being generally more relaxed and more cautious in my decision making. The ride home was always better than the ride in because of this. So, slightly tongue in cheek, I'd suggest a better alarm clock.

As to products to improve safety, how about something along the lines of those apps that show you current traffic conditions. So you can open the app while having your morning tea/coffee and say to yourself "bugger, the Wotnot Road is snarled up today, I'll go via Thingy instead". Although how you could add cycling specific value to what already exists, I'm not sure.
Have a look at one.network. it used to show traffic speeds, green being normal, red almost at a standstill. As well as road closures or roadworks.
 
A vr simulator where the user can take the role of the cyclist or the driver in a number of typical conflict situations.

I have seen some stunt simulations but they used atypical situations to make the cyclist look bad.
 

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Have a look at one.network. it used to show traffic speeds, green being normal, red almost at a standstill. As well as road closures or roadworks.
For a cyclist, any conclusions or decisions based on such a device wont be the same as would apply to a motorist. For me a "normal" would be traffic going past me at speeds up to 50mph and not very safe. Traffic at a standstill means that cars are not moving very fast and a lot less danger to a cyclist. Ideal conditions for a cyclist is when roads are "closed" and provided you can get off and walk past the closed section, provide a completely traffic free and safe journey.
 

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For a cyclist, any conclusions or decisions based on such a device wont be the same as would apply to a motorist. For me a "normal" would be traffic going past me at speeds up to 50mph and not very safe. Traffic at a standstill means that cars are not moving very fast and a lot less danger to a cyclist. Ideal conditions for a cyclist is when roads are "closed" and provided you can get off and walk past the closed section, provide a completely traffic free and safe journey.
Yep, saw some traffic wombles placing cones down on the dual carriage way I use on the way into work this morning. It did give me a measure of happiness to note that whilst it won't slow down my commute on Friday it will ensure that it's safer.
 

Dogtrousers

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For a cyclist, any conclusions or decisions based on such a device wont be the same as would apply to a motorist. For me a "normal" would be traffic going past me at speeds up to 50mph and not very safe. Traffic at a standstill means that cars are not moving very fast and a lot less danger to a cyclist. Ideal conditions for a cyclist is when roads are "closed" and provided you can get off and walk past the closed section, provide a completely traffic free and safe journey.
Yes, my suggestion was for a cycling-specific variant of such things. But I have no real idea what that would look like, or how it would gather its info.
 
Hi everyone!

I am a Product Design student taking on the task of improving Commuter cyclist safety for my Final Year Project.

My aim is to create a product that will reduce the occurrence of cyclist accidents in the urban commuter environment. I am hoping to gain some direct insight into the issues that commuter cyclists feel are most important. I would also love to share the progress of my Final Year Project with you all and I will gladly welcome any and all constructive criticism along the way.

So with that outta the way...

To those who are interested, I would like to ask a few things:

- What are the biggest safety issues you feel you face as a commuter cyclist?

- Have you/Do you use any safety products and if so, do you have any favorites (or least favorites) and why?

- If you don't use safety products then why not? Too expensive? Annoying? Etc.

- Have you any ideas for features that you would find useful for commuter bike safety (I know there'll be a few funny ones and I can't wait to read them but it would be awesome to have some serious ones too!)

The features I am currently considering implementing in my design are;

- A rearview mirror-esque system that allows you to see what is happening behind you without having to look over your shoulder (considering implementing into a helmet or maybe handlebar-mounted system)

-As a follow on function from the above idea; there could be a vibration/light/sound alert that would draw riders attention

- An indicator system that can either be controlled via bar-mounted buttons/dedicated grips with incorporated buttons/or synced with a navigation system that automatically turns indicators on when coming to junction

Let me know what you think! Really appreciate any input and I hope you all have an amazing day!!!

There are already more 'visibility' and 'awareness' gadgets available than you can shake a stick at, to be worn or used by the cyclist or applied to the bike.
Still more gadgets just fill the coffers of profit-makers in China, ensure continued forced labour for Uighurs and reduce the beneficial effect of the climate-change-slowing machine we enjoy using.

The only gadget that will be of any use at all in improving safety for the cyclist, and other non-mechanically-propelled and vulnerable road users, is one that will force drivers to behave in a more considerate, circumspect and cautious fashion ie follow the Highway Code! when in the vicinity of vulnerable users.

So it is not the cyclist who needs to be the subject of your research, but the driver.

What would be very interesting indeed would be if you were to go onto a motor vehicle driver's forum and pose a similar question there - 'What means would be effective at making you drive more safely and considerately around cyclists and other non-mechanised road users?' and I will be willing to bet money that the majority of drivers claim their driving is of the highest standard possible and moreover such useless prats and w@nker$ who use the road by leg power have no right to be there and should get out of 'everyone else's' way ...
 

kayakerles

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…So it is not the cyclist who needs to be the subject of your research, but the driver.

What would be very interesting indeed would be if you were to go onto a motor vehicle driver's forum and pose a similar question there - 'What means would be effective at making you drive more safely and considerately around cyclists and other non-mechanised road users?' and I will be willing to bet money that the majority of drivers claim their driving is of the highest standard possible and moreover such useless prats and w@nker$ who use the road by leg power have no right to be there and should get out of 'everyone else's' way ...
Totally agree with you KN, and that's IF they would even TAKE the questionnaire, AND be honest. I think that would only be possible if it was an anonymous questionnaire.

Then again, would we really want to even see those results? :ohmy:
 
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TheSudsySender

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Devices to increase the visibility of a cyclist, to a motorist have all been invented. Lights, hi is etc already exist.
Devices to alert a cyclist to a speeding vehicle from behind have been tried before and are ineffective. Even if alerted, there is very little action a cyclist could take to compensate for poor driving by the motorist.

There could be a gap in the market for devices to warn cyclists of dangers ahead and to give the cyclist time to take avoidance action. I know of several cases where a rider has gone into the back of a parked vehicle, with fatal consequences. Usually because the rider had his head down until too late. Pedestrians stepping out , bad road surfaces, pot holes , black ice etc are all dangers to cyclists. If these were detected and the rider given sufficient time to take avoidance measures it would increase safety.

I suspect that for your purpose, it is the process rather than the end product that matters, so I wish you good luck and please return with updates on your findings. Too many students post a survey and are never seen again.
Thanks a million! This was really helpful I didn't even think about the front end warning. I'll make sure to keep updates coming!
 
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TheSudsySender

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I'm currently doing a bit of cycling in a very different part of the world to most of your respondents and I'd concur that the single biggest factor for staying safe on a bike is the attitude of drivers of other motor vehicles.

But you want to design a product so here's my suggestion:
As a part of the learning to drive course every want to be driver has to complete a bicycle simulation module where they will be subjected to close passes, sudden horns, potholes and other debris and sudden left/right (depending on country) turns.
Design a simulator that will achieve all that.
Alternatively, every want to be driver has to complete x number of miles on a bike before getting a license.

Mirrors exist (I love them), indicators won't work and a warning system will be useless in any scenario involving traffic.
Sorry.

I use a mirror, wear a helmet (on tour), have lights but the most important safety device I have is what's between my ears.

If you really want a bike product, there is/was a product from Spain, the distanciador, a lightweight and retractable plastic "arm" that can be deployed to encourage traffic to give cyclists a wide berth. I used one in NL but that was mainly to keep roadies away from me, not traffic. You may be able to find a video on YouTube.

Good luck!
Thanks really appreciate the suggestions! The simulator idea is super interesting actually since it would actually show drivers what it's like but I don't think it would suit for my project.
Human nature and rear view mirrors do not mix. Instead of keeping proper observation the typical human will instead rely upon the mirror, simply because it requires less effort. This is exactly what the typical car driver reverts to when they have passed their test and there is no longer an instructor sat beside them.

Conversely, while it is easier, it is a far less effective means of keeping proper obs than simply looking properly. It gives only a narrow field of view in the direction the mirror is pointed, and that is it. Nothing more. NET result is riders are left worse off than before the whole exercise began.

Now, combine the mirrors with some kind of mild electric shock device that activates when the ride has not deviated their face from the straight ahead position for 10 seconds (most riders manage tens of minutes) and you could be on to something.

If you genuinely want to design something to promote road cycling safety, then first you should identify the largest category of cycling casualty causes (car drivers). Having identified the cause one can then develop a system to mitigate their lazy, negligent, even wilfully dangerous behaviour, such as a system that detects when they are too close to a cyclist and sounds a warning/cuts the ignition/applies the brakes/whatever. Look at the offender, not the victim.

Weve all seen mirrors, indicators, bike mounted radar, its all been and gone and been again, and still the casualty rates among cyclists are on the rise again.
Thanks man! Super valuable take on the mirrors, I was actually thinking of possibly incorporating some form of vibration into the grips to warn rider of directional hazards. I agree I definitely need to strongly consider targeting the offender rather than the victim.
 
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TheSudsySender

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Firstly, thanks for your detailed introduction; it's rare that a researcher provides adequate context, although it would be good to know if you have any cycling experience. There's implied no criticism here; it's just about knowing how much explanation needs to be given in responses.

As for my background - a commuter of approx 30 years (though now retired) on a mix of urban, suburban and rural roads.

My aim is to create a product that will reduce the occurrence of cyclist accidents in the urban commuter environment. I am hoping to gain some direct insight into the issues that commuter cyclists feel are most important.
You may gain some 'insights' here, especially given the years of experience many members bring to bear, however, you'll doubtless appreciate this is little more than anecdata and as such, not a strong foundation on which to build a product design. To 'reduce the occurrence of cyclist accidents in the urban commuter environment', you first need to establish the causes and, as others have already stated, some of those causes may be outside the cyclist's bubble.

- What are the biggest safety issues you feel you face as a commuter cyclist?
  • Attitude of other road users - from inattentive to, in some cases, aggressive and dangerous.
  • Poorly designed road infrastructure where cyclists' needs have not been appropriately addressed or accommodated.
  • Poor quality and badly maintained roads.
  • The weather! Especially, though not solely in winter. Fog and rain affecting visibility of other road users who fail to adjust their behaviour appropriately. Ice is of course a real concern.
- Have you/Do you use any safety products and if so, do you have any favorites (or least favorites) and why?
I wear clothing which has some degree of hi viz, though you'll find views elsewhere on the forum which disagree with the effectiveness of this type of gear.
I wear a helmet; another highly contentious topic.
I use bike lights, though not in daylight when the visibility is good. Again you'll find some folks who prefer to use lights at all times.
I wear protective eyewear; darkened lenses for bright days and clear for other times.
I wear gloves, obviously in winter, but fingerless mitts in summer.
I use good quality tyres, even on my commuter hack.
I have used a mirror in the past, but rarely do so these days.

- If you don't use safety products then why not? Too expensive? Annoying? Etc.
Just some thoughts on the topic of mirrors. When commuting, I was fortunate to use more than one bike; each would have needed its own mirror. The same mirror mounting system wouldn't work across all the bikes.
I could, as some do, opt for a helmet or specs mounted mirror, but I worry about the risk of injury from something stuck out near my face, in the event of an accident. I have no data on the likelihood of that, but for me, it's a concern.
In the end I've opted to rely on my unaided senses - looking and listening.

- Have you any ideas for features that you would find useful for commuter bike safety?
I've not thought deeply about this, so take it with a pinch of salt. I wonder about a warning device on the bike which activates automatically when a vehicle is approaching from the rear i.e. to warn the approaching vehicle, not the cyclist? Flashing lights, similar in principle to those in cars activated automatically by heavy braking? It would need to be 'intelligent', not coming on whilst a stream of vehicles is passing, as is the often the case on the urban commute.
Just an idea. Wonder what others think?

The features I am currently considering implementing in my design are;
- A rearview mirror-esque system that allows you to see what is happening
behind you without having to look over your shoulder (considering implementing into a helmet or maybe handlebar-mounted system)
'without having to look over your shoulder' We shouldn't seek to avoid this but supplement it maybe?
'helmet' Not everyone wears one, so that reduces your market. Also think about the safety issues created by mounting something to a protective device.
'handlebar-mounted system' How about a rear view camera projecting to a screen (smartphone) centrally mounted on the handlebars? Perhaps as an adjunct to a nav system and/or video recording capability?

Would I use one? Not for a minute - introduces complexity where a simpler, non-tech solution exists. But some might appreciate such a device.

-As a follow on function from the above idea; there could be a vibration/light/sound alert that would draw riders attention
Or perhaps the approaching vehicle driver's attention? They are arguably in a better position to take mitigating action.

- An indicator system that can either be controlled via bar-mounted buttons/dedicated grips with incorporated buttons/or synced with a navigation system that automatically turns indicators on when coming to junction
I agree with my fellow members here. I don't think there's a case to be made for indicators on a bike. The technology underpinning such a device has been around for many years, as have niche versions of such products … but how many bikes do you see with them fitted?

So, should the priority be to design a device for the cyclist to use, or might a more fruitful avenue be to look at devices which can be deployed elsewhere.
Just riffing:
An in-vehicle warning system which alerts the driver when approaching cyclists.
An in-vehicle close-pass prevention device which prevents cars passing cyclists too closely.
A road sign which illuminates as cars approach to warn drivers of the likelihood of encountering cyclists (like those which come on when cars approach and warn them of their speed).
Wow! Thanks so much for such an in-depth reply. I do cycle myself, commuting to and from uni but mostly mountain biking. I really like the idea of a light that will attract a drivers attention if it rides to close to/too fast at the cyclist. Thanks again!
 
Hi everyone!

I am a Product Design student taking on the task of improving Commuter cyclist safety for my Final Year Project.

My aim is to create a product that will reduce the occurrence of cyclist accidents in the urban commuter environment. I am hoping to gain some direct insight into the issues that commuter cyclists feel are most important. I would also love to share the progress of my Final Year Project with you all and I will gladly welcome any and all constructive criticism along the way.

So with that outta the way...

To those who are interested, I would like to ask a few things:

- What are the biggest safety issues you feel you face as a commuter cyclist?

- Have you/Do you use any safety products and if so, do you have any favorites (or least favorites) and why?

- If you don't use safety products then why not? Too expensive? Annoying? Etc.

- Have you any ideas for features that you would find useful for commuter bike safety (I know there'll be a few funny ones and I can't wait to read them but it would be awesome to have some serious ones too!)

The features I am currently considering implementing in my design are;

- A rearview mirror-esque system that allows you to see what is happening behind you without having to look over your shoulder (considering implementing into a helmet or maybe handlebar-mounted system)

-As a follow on function from the above idea; there could be a vibration/light/sound alert that would draw riders attention

- An indicator system that can either be controlled via bar-mounted buttons/dedicated grips with incorporated buttons/or synced with a navigation system that automatically turns indicators on when coming to junction

Let me know what you think! Really appreciate any input and I hope you all have an amazing day!!!
I sense your questions can be placed into two categories: on the one hand of being noticed on the road or cycle lane and on the other for the cyclists to know what is behind.

In order to be noticed on the road I alert motorists, fellow cyclists and pedestrians of my presence by using a high intensity flashing rear and front light plus a loud bell. To encourage motorists to give me a wider berth I even fitted an 'Oxford Arm' to my rear pannier.

In order to know what is behind me o ver the years I have tried rear view mirrors - a helmet mount, a down tube mount and a handlebar mirror. For various reasons that ranged from a shaky image of the road behind, blind spots and an inability to gauge the distance of objects to the rear I no longer use mirrors and favour listening and turning my head when pulling out.

Concerning your thoughts about a bicycle indicator, these have been about on many forms for over 40 years but nothing has improved on the use of hand signals.

What would be a welcomed safety initiative is a pot-hole or debris on the road detector. I am certain that modern technology can scan the road ahead and emit an audible alarm to forewarn us cyclists of such danger.

I hope my comments help and wish you well in your research

All the best
Joe
 
There are already more 'visibility' and 'awareness' gadgets available than you can shake a stick at, to be worn or used by the cyclist or applied to the bike.
Still more gadgets just fill the coffers of profit-makers in China, ensure continued forced labour for Uighurs and reduce the beneficial effect of the climate-change-slowing machine we enjoy using.

The only gadget that will be of any use at all in improving safety for the cyclist, and other non-mechanically-propelled and vulnerable road users, is one that will force drivers to behave in a more considerate, circumspect and cautious fashion ie follow the Highway Code! when in the vicinity of vulnerable users.

So it is not the cyclist who needs to be the subject of your research, but the driver.

What would be very interesting indeed would be if you were to go onto a motor vehicle driver's forum and pose a similar question there - 'What means would be effective at making you drive more safely and considerately around cyclists and other non-mechanised road users?' and I will be willing to bet money that the majority of drivers claim their driving is of the highest standard possible and moreover such useless prats and w@nker$ who use the road by leg power have no right to be there and should get out of 'everyone else's' way ...

You are quite correct. But I don't think we should dismiss every gizmo out of hand -because the real problem is a driver looking at there phone or elsewhere.

Cars and driver's aren't going anywhere. If something is developed with the intention of making me safer ...I'm interested.
 
You are quite correct. But I don't think we should dismiss every gizmo out of hand -because the real problem is a driver looking at there phone or elsewhere.

Cars and driver's aren't going anywhere. If something is developed with the intention of making me safer ...I'm interested.

Yet more gizmos and gadgets intended to be used by the cyclist would seem to be 'overkill' - have any of them been independently proven to give a significant improvement in safety, over and above the basics of good lighting and riding to a standard appropriate to the situation? is my question. I fear we will soon be so very burdened by what we are expected to both wear and carry in the way of unproven and even ineffective safety devices that we'll all need electric wheels to help us both carry and power the range of safety devices which surround and enclose us!

Surely it would be better by far to aim research, and hence the next generation of devices intended to protect the vulnerable road user, at the main factor which causes this vulnerability - the ICE or E driver in the heavy metal can. If something constructive wrt this could be done, it would protect every vulnerable road user, not just the person using a specific device marketed to a single section of the 'vulnerable user' population.
 
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