I don't know if I am going to Disc Brakes for Bicycle Touring

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RollingNoMad

RollingNoMad

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Plenty of other touring riders are still on cantilever or V-brakes. If they please you then there is absolutely no problem with that.:okay:
I had the Tektro Oryx Front/Rear Cantilever Brake on my Surly LHT 26in Touring Bicycle from 11-2008 to 8-2012 and I had a hard time stopping going down a hill with Tektro Oryx Front/Rear Cantilever Brake then I put on my Avid Single digit 7 V-Brakes and I think that my Avid Single digit 7 V-Brakes are easy to work on. and I did upgrade my Hubs to Shimano XT M756 6-bolt Hubs in 2013. and I will know more about going to Disc Brakes for Bicycle Touring. and I am looking at Soma Sage Disc 26in 52cm 2018 Frameset? or Surly Disc Trucker 26in 52 2018.
 

raleighnut

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I had the Tektro Oryx Front/Rear Cantilever Brake on my Surly LHT 26in Touring Bicycle from 11-2008 to 8-2012 and I had a hard time stopping going down a hill with Tektro Oryx Front/Rear Cantilever Brake then I put on my Avid Single digit 7 V-Brakes and I think that my Avid Single digit 7 V-Brakes are easy to work on. and I did upgrade my Hubs to Shimano XT M756 6-bolt Hubs in 2013. and I will know more about going to Disc Brakes for Bicycle Touring. and I am looking at Soma Sage Disc 26in 52cm 2018 Frameset? or Surly Disc Trucker 26in 52 2018.
Shimano Deore V brakes (or Deore XT) are about the best I've found, Tektro/Avid are just cheapos.
 
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I have two cycles, one with vee brakes and one with disc brakes, normally I find no differance between them, as to rim wear from vee brakes it takes so many miles of normal touring to not be a real issue., however in muddy conditions I find the Disc brake better mainly because they dont suffer so much glogging up with mud as the vee brakes do.
I am using the Avid SD7 V-Brakes front and rear Kool Stop V-Type Brake Shoes
(Dual Compound-Black/Salmon Pad's Rear and Front Dual Compound Black/Salmon V2 Pad's) and Avid Speed dial V-brake levers
 

Crankarm

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Rim brakes are old technology. Fine in the dry and summer if we get one but even then. Don't miss them compared to disc brakes as they create a lot of mess, wear out rims necessitating a new rim and wheel build which is a major problem when cycle touring. So many long distance and RTW cyclists have come to grief when rim brakes have worn out a rim and it splits. In the wet compared to disc brakes they are not as good and require a rim to be dead true so if your wheel rim gets damaged you cannot use the brake. Disc brakes are so much better in pretty much every way.
 
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SkipdiverJohn

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And of course disc brakes are much more effective in the wet.

Having grown up riding heavy steel bikes with heavy chromed steel rims, where I've had to scrape my foot on the ground for extra retardation or jump off a moving bike in the wet on occasion to avoid a possible crash at a junction, I regard even the most basic rim-braked alloy wheel set-up as an absolute luxury in comparison. Consequently I am always very wary of building up too much speed on descents and I tend to be very light on the brakes and do the minimum amount of braking I can. No matter how powerful your brake set-up may be, you can only brake as hard as your tyres will maintain traction. Once you can lock a wheel, that's your lot.
 

Crankarm

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Having grown up riding heavy steel bikes with heavy chromed steel rims, where I've had to scrape my foot on the ground for extra retardation or jump off a moving bike in the wet on occasion to avoid a possible crash at a junction, I regard even the most basic rim-braked alloy wheel set-up as an absolute luxury in comparison. Consequently I am always very wary of building up too much speed on descents and I tend to be very light on the brakes and do the minimum amount of braking I can. No matter how powerful your brake set-up may be, you can only brake as hard as your tyres will maintain traction. Once you can lock a wheel, that's your lot.

Well I suggest you ride a laden touring bike with good disc brakes down a long steep mountain pass and see how much later and harder you will be able to brake meaning you can ride faster and be a lot safer. It's like night and day compared with old technology rim brakes.
 

raleighnut

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What do you mean by "Avid are just cheapos"? and My Avid Single digit 7 V-Brakes was $43.99 USD and the Shimano deore BR-T610 V-Brakes is $23.99 USD same weight
It'd be Deore every time for me in that case, I've got em on 2 bikes (the ones that use V-brakes) and the Trike.

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The front brake manages to stop that lot (+me) as the back brake is a 'band/drum' type and ain't up to much. Oh and BTW that wire going into the front axle is for a 250w electric motor so it goes quite quickly. :cycle: :becool:
 

Vantage

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Well I suggest you ride a laden touring bike with good disc brakes down a long steep mountain pass and see how much later and harder you will be able to brake meaning you can ride faster and be a lot safer. It's like night and day compared with old technology rim brakes.

You're clearly missing the point regarding tyre traction. Once it goes it goes. Doesn't matter whether it goes under caliper, cantilever, v brake or disc, there's only so much braking force a bike can handle before the bike either flips or skids.
Night and day? Really? Rubbish.
Rims don't need to be 'dead true'. They can be anywhere up to about half an inch out of true and still be braked safely on. The same can be said of disc rotors. They can be an absolute nightmare to straighten once bent and without specialist tools, are near impossible to get true again.
Alot of the mess from rim brakes is due to the larger area of their braking surface. Disc brakes also leave residue in wet conditions but because of their smaller diameter it doesn't create as much. Both can be easily cleaned.
Rim failure through wear on long distance and rtw tours isn't at epidemic levels. In many cases, a replaceable rim can be easier to find than a warped disc rotor or worn pads.
 

davidphilips

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Rim brakes for me, had cable discs on a MTB and they where no better than rim brakes, at present my run about bike a ridgeback flight that has hydraulic disc brakes they work very well but theres always the danger of a fluid leak or making a mistake when mending a puncture and the wheel wont go back in with out a lot of fun plus there can be fun with lever adjustment.

On there plus side they work well but are heavy and for road bikes have extra wind drag.
 

Jody

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Night and day? Really? Rubbish..

It's down to personal preference but a good quality hydraulic brake is night and day from any rim brake setup. Power, modulation, feel are all there. I couldn't think of one rim brake setup I would trust to stop me with one finger on the lever in almost any condition.

I'm not knocking V's as they were a massive step from previous types of brakes. But its like saying automotive discs and drums are the same as they both stop a car and can lock a wheel.
 
You're clearly missing the point regarding tyre traction. Once it goes it goes. Doesn't matter whether it goes under caliper, cantilever, v brake or disc, there's only so much braking force a bike can handle before the bike either flips or skids.
Night and day? Really? Rubbish.
Rims don't need to be 'dead true'. They can be anywhere up to about half an inch out of true and still be braked safely on. The same can be said of disc rotors. They can be an absolute nightmare to straighten once bent and without specialist tools, are near impossible to get true again.
Alot of the mess from rim brakes is due to the larger area of their braking surface. Disc brakes also leave residue in wet conditions but because of their smaller diameter it doesn't create as much. Both can be easily cleaned.
Rim failure through wear on long distance and rtw tours isn't at epidemic levels. In many cases, a replaceable rim can be easier to find than a warped disc rotor or worn pads.

I think you are missing his point, heavily laden down a 25% mountain pass, it’s not a lacking of grip that is the issue, it’s the build up of heat of the braking surfaces, whether rims or discs, one is better able to cope with heat than the other, and you can safely use them more,

It’s easier to straighten discs than replace rims, done it many times with just an adjustable spanner, on mountain bikes, I don’t know why one would be looking for a warped disc rotor, and pads are easy to bring with you, your much more likely to know when pads need replaced, than when rims need replaced,

My tourer has disc brakes, but retains cantilever mounts as a back up, the wheels being suitable for both, I actually don’t mind using either type, but commuting in all weathers I would prefer discs, especially if a small wheel bike like a Brompton, which wears rear rims fast If using all weathers.
 

KneesUp

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I've had disc brakes on a few bikes and can safely say that their only advantage over rim brakes is no rim wear and a bent wheel doesn't really affect braking.
And of course disc brakes are much more effective in the wet.
Drum brakes also offer all these advantages, plus they are essentially maintenance free, with shoes that last for thousands of miles if not tens of thousands, as I understand.
 

screenman

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Drum brakes also offer all these advantages, plus they are essentially maintenance free, with shoes that last for thousands of miles if not tens of thousands, as I understand.

When wss the last time you drove a car with drum brakes, for me it was a few weeks back, they did not come close to my discs allbround cars.
 
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