Idiots stopping in ASL boxes.

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OP
OP
Racing roadkill
How do you see what's behind you, and what way it intends to go, if you don't move your head?
The chances anything is able to be a threat from behind, in that scenario is nill. I checked behind as I left the previous junction, there was nothing anywhere near enough, to have been in a position to cause me issues from behind as I approached the stationary cars.
 
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I like Skol

A Minging Manc...
Timemarks please.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
The chances anything is able to be a threat from behind, in that scenario is nill. I checked behind as I left the previous junction, there was nothing anywhere near enough, to have been in a position to cause me issues from behind as I approached the stationary cars.
The question wasn't just about this one situation. You've previously said that if you had to check behind, you'd need your head on a pivot. Most people have such a pivot, the neck.

An electric vehicle makes very little noise, almost silent in modern traffic situations. To rely on hearing alone to detect what other traffic is doing/intending doing is dangerous. Both senses should be used.
 

glasgowcyclist

Charming but somewhat feckless
Location
Scotland
I didn’t “ run a red”

You quite clearly did, both from the now-deleted video and your own words on your position.

Further training required.


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Electric_Andy

Heavy Metal Fan
Location
Plymouth
But is it actually safer for them to go up the corridor of opening doors, then get to the end, do an immediate right across the front of queuing traffic all waiting at the green light grand prix & probably obvious to them, at a point when the lights could change at anytime. Then to have some impatient driver held up behind them out in no man's land.
This happened to me once. I was in the LH cycle lane, and needed to turn right at the lights, so I went into the ASL, checked the lights were red, and went across 2 lanes of traffic to get to the right. As I did so, the lights changed and I was then beeing beeped at for being in the way. I don't think ASLs offer any extra safety, and can even in my above example give you a false sense of security. The cars should not have gone if I was blocking their path, but very few drivers care about such small details when they've been held up for 2.5 seconds.
 

figbat

Slippery scientist
I am not colour blind - my RAF officer and aircrew selection results can confirm this (for the avoidance of doubt, I never went on to join the RAF, but I did pass all the physical and aptitude tests necessary to be a pilot, navigator or fighter controller).
I don't think I am thick - I have a scientific honours degree and work in a scientific and engineering capacity.
I am not trolling, I am dispassionately using the evidence at hand (provided by your own video and subsequent discussion) to make points based on observation.

( the light’s green ) so I didn’t “ run a red”
You did run a red. You keep posting heavily cropped images of traffics lights that remove the context of the video. The image I posted of your own video clearly shows that you are past the ASL and the light is still red. You admit that you positioned yourself ahead of the car and we can see that the car has stopped at the ASL. Ergo, you "ran a red light". You might not like that you did this, you might not have meant to do this, but the evidence clearly shows that you did this.

If you think you don’t have to position yourself as I did, in that scenario, you clearly don’t have a clue about urban riding / riding in general, so I think all you post on this ‘cycle forum’ is completely invalidated.
I, and other correspondents here, do indeed think that you didn't have to position yourself like this. You didn't have to go to the front. You didn't have to run the red light. You could have held back, behind the lead car where you would be clear of its manoeuvres and also clearly visible to the 2nd car in the queue.

I am also unclear why making statements that you disagree with in one post means that everything I put in this forum is invalidated? Maybe those photos I posted of my bike weren't in front of a church/thatch/memorial? Perhaps the false perspective fooled me?

I admit that I am not a frequent urban cyclist, but I am an urban driver, motorcyclist, occasional cyclist and pedestrian. I am also a keen follower of the laws and regulations that apply to these situations. Regardless of my experience in urban riding one thing is irrefutable: riding a bicycle past the ASL when the traffic light is red is an offence. You have provided evidence that clearly shows you committing this offence. You have then lambasted a driver for committing the very same offence. You have subsequently taken down the evidence whilst also selectively cropping frames to support your own belief - that you are always right and everybody else is wrong.

As an aside, I did find it slightly amusing that at first you accused the driver of violating a "YSL" - nice to see that Yves Saint Laurent is foremost in your mind when approaching a high risk situation. :laugh:
 
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newts

Veteran
Location
Isca Dumnoniorum
newts said:
...(i suspect it's in its normal posterior position)
Does that mean up his ***?

I thought my childish attempt at sarcasm re the op's head position had been missed:cheers:
 
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DaveReading

Don't suffer fools gladly (must try harder!)
Location
Reading, obvs
I was in the LH cycle lane, and needed to turn right at the lights, so I went into the ASL, checked the lights were red, and went across 2 lanes of traffic to get to the right. As I did so, the lights changed and I was then beeing beeped at for being in the way.

Forgive the thread drift, but I thought it had been established that there is no rule saying that you have to enter the ASL via the marked channel on the left.

While I might well do that if I'm turning left, if my plan is to turn right I'll pass the queued cars on their RHS and enter the bike box from that side. Obviously there is still the risk that the lights will change just as you get there, but you can't avoid that, and if the worst comes to the worst, you can allow the vehicles to pass to your left if you haven't been able to position yourself in front of them in time.
 

AndyRM

XOXO
Location
North Shields
The three of them are gone/been taken down.

To "save space" on YouTube. Which as far as I'm aware, is not a thing.

ETA - I checked, it isn't. On a free account you have a 20gb size limit per video (which none of these three non-events would have come close to), but you can upload as many as you like. This of course may change, but I doubt it.
 
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winjim

Straddle the line, discord and rhyme
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