In the SAS ?

[sidevalve]

Oddly I used to work on the motorways and the two colours of car used [and this is for use woking on the hard shoulder] were 1 - white [ok] and 2 - yep you guessed it, grey. No, didn't make sense to me either but that's officialdom for you.

 

[Xiorell]

You have light fittings attached to yourself and your dogs whilst walking outdoors in poor light conditions?

Me and my Rotti do ! Little flashing LED things, think they came from Aldi

 

[Primal Scream]

Sidevalve, like it

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Living in Cambridge I'm constantly amazed by the amount of cyclists you see out either at night or in heavy fog with dark clothing and no lights. I cycle, lots, and am always lit up like a Christmas tree. Even wear an armband flashing LED red light when out walking the baby or running in poor vis. But when driving, even well below the 30 speed limit in town, you don't see these cyclists until your bumper is practically buried in their @rse crack. Its wreckless and irresponsible.

How do you manage to ovoid those grey lampposts and unlit bollards?

 

[Primal Scream]

Maybe because they are not moving and coming unexpectedly out of left field.

Riding without lights is the stuff of morons.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

Me and my Rotti do ! Little flashing LED things, think they came from Aldi

That's great: so I can see you and Rotti when I cycle home through the park at night

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Maybe because they are not moving and coming unexpectedly out of left field.

Riding without lights is the stuff of morons.

OIC! It's question of vectors! If you are doing 2X , the cyclist X and the unlit grey concrete bollard 0 which is easier to see?

 

[Dan B]

If you can't stop within the distance you can see to be clear, you're travelling too fast. You could just as easily hit an unlit dog walker or his unlit dog as an unlit cyclist

I would always advise cyclists to invest in a rear light or preferably in rear lights plural purely on a self-preservation basis, but it is in no way shape or form their fault if they get hit while not doing so, any more than it's the fault of an OAP outside the Post Office for getting mugged because they made themselves look vulnerable.

 

[MrC]

Hmmm. I don't think you can compare being on a public highway and not taking proper precautions to identify yourself to being attacked by a criminal for money.
If a cyclist pulled out in front of a car at a junction because they only saw the car too late as it didn't have its lights on, would you view it as the car driver's fault or the cyclist's?

MrC

 

[Dan B]

The cyclist's. If he can't see an unlit car in the dark, he should get better lights

 

[Dan B]

http://owntheroad.cc/2012/04/blinkin-silly/ is interesting reading

 

[MrC]

So all users of the road at night should be using it as if there are dark unlit vehicles on it?
I'm not sure if that's particularly realistic. Might be better to take responsibility and identify yourself.

MrC

 

[MrC]

I think i should read most of the posts in a long thread rather than just the last few.
Teach me to do it from my mobile

MrC

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

So all users of the road at night should be using it as if there are dark unlit vehicles on it?
I'm not sure if that's particularly realistic. Might be better to take responsibility and identify yourself.

MrC

Or dark unlit, animals, breeze blocks, bollards, gates, fallen trees, missing manhole covers, scrapmetal,bales of hay, bottles... the list goes on... should all of the above "take responsibilty" as well?

 

[youngoldbloke]

Anyway - I thought that in conditions of low light/bad visibility it was illegal not to have lights illuminated, car or bike? Personally I will also switch on a bright flashing rear light in shady conditions on a sunny day, or when riding into the sun, especially on an A road. I know from experience as a driver that cyclists are more noticeable if they do this, often you can be aware of a rider using a rear light way ahead of you, well before they would be visible otherwise. I would rather be seen than not, and do not regard it as an infringement of my human rights to use lights, or wear light coloured clothing - just common sense. Oh ... and motorists that don't use their lights in bad conditions are equally stupid