Indicators should be banned, to improve road safety.
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Peter Armstrong
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I hate people who dont indicate, more so them dicks on the motorway when changing lanes, dicks
Peter Armstrong
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or the one that dont indicate when turning left at a junction, you know when your trying to filter.
Peter Armstrong
Über Member
or when your going to enter a roundabout and the doosh dont indicate to let ou know they are coming off, selfish son of a guns
Peter Armstrong
Über Member
Or when they slow down in the middle of the road, my balls arnt crystal, let me know what your doing fool
Peter Armstrong
Über Member
Or when im at the shop, pulling out onto the road, some idoit trys to pull out just before me, how the feck do I know your also wanting to pull out if you dont indicate
dodd82
Well-Known Member
There seems to be more than one debate going on here.
There is no question in my mind that no indication leads to reduced traffic flow, and for that reason, I would be against any suggestion to remove it.
I think ultimately that all problems discussed on here, that have arisen because indicators, are the result of bad indication - not indication itself.
On that basis, I'm sure there are other things we could discuss removing. Changing lanes on a matorway? If not done properly, it can cause an accident. So lets ban it.
Okay, so that's being a little facetious, but hopefully you see my point.
There has to be consideration for the positives and the negatives, and then a common sense discussion about what is most appropriate.
There is no question in my mind that no indication leads to reduced traffic flow, and for that reason, I would be against any suggestion to remove it.
I think ultimately that all problems discussed on here, that have arisen because indicators, are the result of bad indication - not indication itself.
On that basis, I'm sure there are other things we could discuss removing. Changing lanes on a matorway? If not done properly, it can cause an accident. So lets ban it.
Okay, so that's being a little facetious, but hopefully you see my point.
There has to be consideration for the positives and the negatives, and then a common sense discussion about what is most appropriate.
How about:
1) observe the sh*t out of the situation,
2) convince ourselves that we are awesome and have seen there's no one who would benefit from some indication and the thought process behind deciding such has improved our observation and increased our awareness
3) indicate anyway just in case we haven't got the Jesus Vision that we believe we possess and there's some other road user (who we didn't see in step 1) or pedestrian (who we didn't see in step 1) who was somehow obscured by road layout/street furniture who would be really interested to know what manouvre you're planning to do
Do people not indicate because they think "If I indicate where there's no one to indicate too, and someone sees me indicating to no one, then they might think that I'm driving without thinking what I'm doing, and I don't want them to get the impression I'm going through the motions without thinking, I'm an advanced driver doncherknow"
I'm struggling to see why people go out of their way to justify not doing something which is minimal effort in a car. Assuming its done properly at the correct time, i'm struggling to see how indicating can hinder. Others have spoken about other signals like road position, angle of wheels etc for determining what a car is about to do. Anything extra to help clarify (such as indicators) can only be a good thing?
1) observe the sh*t out of the situation,
2) convince ourselves that we are awesome and have seen there's no one who would benefit from some indication and the thought process behind deciding such has improved our observation and increased our awareness
3) indicate anyway just in case we haven't got the Jesus Vision that we believe we possess and there's some other road user (who we didn't see in step 1) or pedestrian (who we didn't see in step 1) who was somehow obscured by road layout/street furniture who would be really interested to know what manouvre you're planning to do
Do people not indicate because they think "If I indicate where there's no one to indicate too, and someone sees me indicating to no one, then they might think that I'm driving without thinking what I'm doing, and I don't want them to get the impression I'm going through the motions without thinking, I'm an advanced driver doncherknow"
I'm struggling to see why people go out of their way to justify not doing something which is minimal effort in a car. Assuming its done properly at the correct time, i'm struggling to see how indicating can hinder. Others have spoken about other signals like road position, angle of wheels etc for determining what a car is about to do. Anything extra to help clarify (such as indicators) can only be a good thing?
Amanda P
Legendary Member
- Location
- York. Well, York-ish...
One point no-one's mentioned: a fresh signal may convey more meaning than an old one.
I'll explain.
Imagine I'm waiting (on foot, on a bike, in a lorry, doesn't really matter) to cross a road or a junction. A car approaches round a bend to my right. If the car is going to turn left before it reaches me, it'll be safe for me to cross. If not, it won't be.
If that car has its left-hand indicator flashing merrily away when it first comes into sight around the bend (because the driver, despite not being able to see whether there's anyone who might benefit from the signal, has helpfully switched it on anyway before he could even see the turn he was going to take), then I don't know whether he's been driving around with it flashing for the past half-hour, or if he really is going to make that turn.
If, as the car approaches, the driver sees me (possibly making eye contact in the process), and then puts on the indicator (a 'fresh' signal), I'm much more likely to believe him. If I'm a prudent person, I'll probably wait to see if he slows or changes direction as well, but the fresh signal has given me more information than the old one would have.
I'll explain.
Imagine I'm waiting (on foot, on a bike, in a lorry, doesn't really matter) to cross a road or a junction. A car approaches round a bend to my right. If the car is going to turn left before it reaches me, it'll be safe for me to cross. If not, it won't be.
If that car has its left-hand indicator flashing merrily away when it first comes into sight around the bend (because the driver, despite not being able to see whether there's anyone who might benefit from the signal, has helpfully switched it on anyway before he could even see the turn he was going to take), then I don't know whether he's been driving around with it flashing for the past half-hour, or if he really is going to make that turn.
If, as the car approaches, the driver sees me (possibly making eye contact in the process), and then puts on the indicator (a 'fresh' signal), I'm much more likely to believe him. If I'm a prudent person, I'll probably wait to see if he slows or changes direction as well, but the fresh signal has given me more information than the old one would have.
subaqua
What’s the point
- Location
- Leytonstone
as taught when i learnt to drive " assume the driver in front will doi the unexpected" or in safe cycling speak
DONT FILTER UP THE LEFT AT JUNCTIONS
Nigel-YZ1
Guru
- Location
- Somewhere else... maybe soon.
As I've been told, always assume that the indicator is stuck on with superglue for the past 3 weeks and five days, and therefore don't do anything until the vehicle actually does the turn.
Always assume the daftest, weirdest event will occur.
Peter Armstrong
Über Member
subaqua
What’s the point
- Location
- Leytonstone
care to expand further than something that couild be read either way.
would you go up the inside of a car in a car if there was a small space just big enough. I know i wouldn't.
would you ride in the door zone on the right. I know I wouldn't.
we all have a part to play and that starts with not riding stupidly.
cycling mikey caught a proper plonker.
OP
OP
Arfcollins
Soft southerner.
- Location
- Fareham
I missed my string's birthday! 
Maybe I'll bake it a cake when it's two.
Maybe I'll bake it a cake when it's two.
Peter Armstrong
Über Member
No as in its perfectly safe to filter up the inside,
Don’t filter on the inside of a Large Vehicle
Don’t filter on the inside of a car indicating left
Don’t filter on the inside if there’s no space
Don’t filter on the inside in the door zone
There’s plenty of junctions you can legally and safely filter up the inside, especially when there a cycle lane there to with space. Just annoying when the people up near the front in cars don’t indicate that they are turning left as I would filter and stop just behind the car indicating left. They are usually sat in the cycle stop area too stopping you from going in front.
Posting 1 video of someone trying to undertake a truck is pointless.
