Investment ?

[BretonM]

Hello all,
Just saw this beautiful Bianchi Carbon Frame.
Does anyone know exactly what bike this has come from.
Thanks very much.

 

[Yellow Saddle]

I'm suspicious. I suspect it is a fake with a paint job. Bianchi experts like @Globalti may be able to recognise subtle differences but I'm sure he doesn't have X-ray vision. Give us a bigger picture please.

 

[DCLane]

Not a Bianchi - doesn't even that that it's one but simply states 'unbranded':

I'd suggest a standard Chinese / PlanetX frame with stickers on.

 

[Yellow Saddle]

Not a Bianchi - doesn't even that that it's one but simply states 'unbranded':

I'd suggest a standard Chinese / PlanetX frame with stickers on.

As I suspected. If it is too good to be true, it isn't true. But...if the frame is without defects, it is still an OK buy.

 

[Globalti]

I'm not really a Bianchi expert but it certainly doesn't look right to me. Don't Bianchis always have a model name on them?

 

[BretonM]

Thank you very much guys.
That probably explains why I could find what model it was.

 

[S-Express]

Fairly common open mould design which was being sold by numerous 'brands' a few years ago. Not a Bianchi and definitely not an 'investment'.

 

[Slick]

Did you check out the video here.

https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/cutting-up-expensive-carbon-bikes.210609/#post-4572229

 

[Drago]

It could be made by Bugatti, and it still wouldn't be an investment after being clamped up like that.

 

[S-Express]

It could be made by Bugatti, and it still wouldn't be an investment after being clamped up like that.

Nothing wrong with clamping it like that. No worse than clamping it anywhere else, unless you have the mechanical sympathy of a mountain gorilla.

 

[Drago]

You're not supposed to clamp a frame at all, and most definitely not by the thinnest part of the frame as in the pic.

 

[S-Express]

You're not supposed to clamp a frame at all, and most definitely not by the thinnest part of the frame as in the pic.

Who says you shouldn't clamp frames in that way - and who says that's the thinnest part of the frame? There is no particular reason why any frame should not be held in that way - gorilla analogy notwithstanding.

 

[Drago]

Park, who manufactured my stand, say you shouldn't in the instructions.

Sheldon says it's best avoided.

Anyone with any real expertise or experience in the use if clamp type work stands says you shouldn't.

Why would you want to clamp potentially the very part of your bike least resistant to crushing forces? The frame at that point can be as thin as 0.5mm, so only a plum would clamp it there.

 

[S-Express]

Park, who manufactured my stand, say you shouldn't in the instructions.

Sheldon says it's best avoided.

Anyone with any real expertise or experience in the use if clamp type work stands says you shouldn't.

Why would you want to clamp potentially the very part of your bike least resistant to crushing forces? The frame at that point can be as thin as 0.5mm, so only a plum would clamp it there.

Such advice is generally issued by manufacturers to avoid claims by the aforementioned ham-fisted gorillas - of which there are many. Bottles of bleach also usually contain the words 'do not drink' for the same reason. Anyone with 'any real expertise or experience' knows the difference between tightening something to keep it steady and tightening something enough to crush the frame.

Many 'plums' have clamped their frames for years with no issue - because they are not fking idiots.

 

[Drago]

And many have done so and damaged them. Clearly if you don't clamp the frame then you're guaranteed not to damage it that way. Zero risk is far better than some risk, do you not think? You don't need to be a gorilla to damage a 0.5mm thick structure that was never designed to accept forces in that direction.

It's no more effort to clamp them by the seat post, so why take even the tiniest risk on the frame? I've never broken my ankle, doesn't mean I won't one day if I'm careless with it.

If you'll forgive me, I prefer to learn from other peoples mistakes, not wait until I make one of my own.

Clamp the frame, don't fit smoke alarms, don't wear a seatbelt... the risk in all these scenarios are small, but seeing as these are risks which are avoidable for little or no cost or effort then only a plum would willingly take them.