Irresponsible Dog Owners!

Discussion in 'Commuting' started by hoppym27, 22 Feb 2018.

  1. AndyCh

    AndyCh Senior Member

    I'm thinking in the park, where she is running around, but a cycle lane runs through the middle. The dog doesn't understand the concept of cycle lanes, a bit like uber drivers
     
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  2. smutchin

    smutchin Cat 6 Racer

    Location:
    The Red Enclave
    The real question for me is whether control in this context needs to be absolute or relative. In many situations, it really does need to be absolute, but in some situations you can afford to be a bit more relaxed about it. Unfortunately, even in situations when it's appropriate to be more relaxed about it, you can sometimes get caught out.

    It helps if cyclists are more relaxed about it as well, as per my experience the other day, rather than dogmatically enforcing their right to be in the right.
     
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  3. Duffy

    Duffy Active Member

    Dogmatically..............

    I can see which side you're batting for.

    :biggrin:
     
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  4. smutchin

    smutchin Cat 6 Racer

    Location:
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  5. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Idéfix!
     
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  6. smutchin

    smutchin Cat 6 Racer

    Location:
    The Red Enclave
    One of those rare examples where the joke is even better in translation.
     
  7. captain nemo1701

    captain nemo1701 Space cadet. Deck 42 Main Engineering.

    Location:
    Bristol
    In many years of commuting down the Bristol Railway Path I have witnessed two accidents (well, saw the aftermath of one, actually did see the second) both caused by dogs off leads. The first required paramedics, the second saw a dog run onto the path causing a female cyclist to swerve & part company with her steed. Luckily, yours truly (works first aider) was cycling up towards her and came to help. She was slightly bruised but otherwise OK. While I was chatting to her, dog owner put the beast back onto the lead and buggered off without any apology:angry:.

    If you cycle in Bristol, you'll be aware of the rabid anti cycling mob who turn up on the local tabloid rag website every time they feature an item about the B2B path. According to the great unwashed, any accident is the fault of speeding cyclists whereas pedestrians, including dog walkers, apparently never put a foot wrong.....Don't get me started on texting zombies, MP3 addicts, dog poo bags on trees etc, etc. It's a shared space, but according to some, all the blame rests on the cycling community. Er, no. If you venture onto it, you are also responsible for the safety of others as well as your own. Some people seem incapable of grasping this idea.
     
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  8. Inertia

    Inertia I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!

    So you saw the aftermath of one incident and blamed the dog. The other has a cyclist who had to bail to avoid hitting a dog.

    Maybe the dog should have been on a lead but the cyclist also has some responsibility herself.

    I've passed lots of dogs over the years, on and off the lead and have managed to never hit any of them, and stay on my bike.

    I've also passed lots of people texting, listening to their MP3 and yes its my responsibility to not hit them.
     
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  9. captain nemo1701

    captain nemo1701 Space cadet. Deck 42 Main Engineering.

    Location:
    Bristol
    The first incident was caused by the dog and the owner admitted it. The cyclist was on the floor, having flipped over the handlebars and broke his arm. I offered first aid (I carry a kit as standard) but the paramedic turned up a couple of minutes later.

    The second incident had the dog run out into the path and the lady swerved but was going slowly. She overcompensated and fell off at about 4 to 5mph. Clearly, the dog owner should not have let his pet run down the access ramp onto the path like that, rather like a small child running out into a road. She did her best, but wobbled off. The least the dog owner could have done was apologise.

    I have also passed many people listening to MP3 players, texting etc without incident. But on the B2B path, a lot of it is width-restricted in cuttings with little room for 'evasive action'. My point is quite simple, I am exercising my responsibility not to hit pedestrians but also they have an equal responsibility to look where they are heading in a shared use space. Would anyone, say, stop in the middle of a road while crossing it to update Facebook?.

    Texting seems to be an issue elsewhere:
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...-zombies-the-scourge-text-messaging-in-public
    I understand in China, they now have 'texting lanes'. And in Germany, they now have red/green LEDS in the kerb to show texting zombies when it's safe to cross:blush:.
     
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  10. glasgowcyclist

    glasgowcyclist Bang on!

    If I'm being attacked and escape isn't feasible, I'll fight back. If that means kicking my attacker that's too bad.

    Some dogs are very fast runners and I'm not going to be forced to ride faster than I'd want to, in a panic, putting me (and possibly others) at further risk. Sorry, but the dog will get a dose of aversion therapy.

    I had it once riding through a local park (on a road); an unleashed doberman monster came hurtling at me from a field ahead and to my right. The speed he was going, I couldn't have outpaced him so I stopped, dismounted and kept my bike bewteen us as he snarled, lunged and barked. The useless owner gave all sorts of baby-talk 'commands' to it but it was after my blood.

    After asking the owner twice to get it under control, which she failed to do, I whacked it on the nose with my pump. It backed off a bit but kept barking and the owner got all uppity at me.

    Do these people not understand the sheer terror a person experiences when faced with a wildly snarling and snapping attack dog?
     
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  11. Phaeton

    Phaeton Veteran

    Location:
    Oop North (ish)
    Nope
     
  12. Jody

    Jody Über legend of a forum GOD!

    My mum is scared of soft dogs never mind snarling ones.
     
  13. Time Waster

    Time Waster Well-Known Member

    If that's the case it's an offence I believe so report it. Kick the mutt and report it rather than whinging about it. That's what I'd do as a dog owning cyclist.

    However whinging about every little incident gets you nowhere. All users of mixed use paths need to be responsible. On such paths near me there's irresponsibly on all sides but you only get one side of a story on a special interest forum.

    BTW if you're driving do you have the same view about cyclists getting in your way? It seems to me that a loy of the anti dog anti pedestrian rants on this thread seem to mirror motorists rants about cyclists. I'm still waiting for a comment about dogs having road tax and number plates for their dogs!

    If you were interested my rants include dog owners seeing you coming on your bike and telling you that "it's OK, he's friendly" just as I'm trying to work out which way the dog is going. Pedestrians who walk obliviously towards one side of the path only to suddenly cross right the way to the other side where I am about to reach that point, so you move to avoid and they suddenly move to your avoidance path. The other pet rant is the cyclists who ride at a speed that's inappropriate to what is around them. I know what is inappropriate because I ride the same stretches and face the same risks as a cyclist and a pedestrian.

    BTW I don't know that Bristol path so perhaps someone who does can enlighten me. It's a mixed use path I take it that's popular with all legitimate users of that type of route. What is the visibility along that path like? What speeds do cyclists do? How popular or busy are they with the different user types?

    My questions relate back to my experience of my local mixed use paths. Certain times of the day they get different user ratios. In the rush hour you get cyclists going faster than mid afternoon. So there's less conflict or risk of it outside of rush hours. Similarly with texting zombies. Less likely outside of rush hour times. It seems to me that the more we have to be somewhere, the more we come into conflict with other users. Leave earlier for work and take it easy. Or walk your dog at quiet times. Better to avoid conflict IMHO.
     
  14. Inertia

    Inertia I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!

    I'm not excusing dangerous dogs and if a dog is running round a cyclist then the owner should get it under control.

    I didn't mean to have a go at you, I think your view reminded me of people complaining about cyclists appearing from nowhere, blaming them for the collusion. Dogs, like cyclists don't usually appear out of nowhere.

    I also realise though, that not everyone is not great around dogs and what seems straight forward to me (putting your foot down and stopping) is not obvious to someone in a panic.
     
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  15. captain nemo1701

    captain nemo1701 Space cadet. Deck 42 Main Engineering.

    Location:
    Bristol
    Thanks for the reply and apologies if I seemed a bit harsh. The local tabloid readers around here seem to put 100% of the responsibility onto cyclists, which irritates me. Ironically, on my commute home along the path tonight, dog running loose with owner nowhere to be seen:angry:.
     
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