Is there any way to change the narrative?

[cd365]

I have not suggested at any point that the driver was not in the wrong. Just pointing out that as she saw the driver arrive in that position that blocked her way it may have been more prudent to hold back for a few seconds before pushing through a narrow gap. I wouldn't squeeze through the gap because I know it is likely the driver will not check properly and could put me in danger. We all have far too much experience of drivers making poor decisions to rely on their judgement alone in keeping us safe.


It is not correct to just take a black and white view as to what is right and what is wrong, and what should or shouldn't happen. Life isn't like that.

Hold back for how long? The hazards were on, I would take that to mean they had stopped for a while, knew that they shouldn't be stopped there so had put the hazards on because that makes it OK to illegally park!

 

[50000tears]

Hold back for how long? The hazards were on, I would take that to mean they had stopped for a while, knew that they shouldn't be stopped there so had put the hazards on because that makes it OK to illegally park!

At least a few seconds. Given their position of half on, half off a pavement and blocking an entrance, and that they only just arrived in that position suggests that despite the hazards they are likely to move again and probably forward. Even bad drivers don't tend to stay in a position quite that poor for any length of time.

It is a real pet peeve of mine when drivers park illegally and think that putting hazards on solves all. Drives me mad. The favourite of course is the stopping on double yellows made so much better by having two wheels on the pavement and hazards on.

Back on point though it is true that far too many older people make some horrible diving decisions and have zero awareness of what is outside of their tunnel view of the road. Almost every fatal accident in my area since I have been cycling is by an older driver, many of which should not be on the road as they have no spatial awareness. Relying on an older driver to make a shoulder check when they have already shown that they are a bad driver is akin to relying on a lottery win to pay your bills. It might happen but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[BEHMOTH66]

At least a few seconds. Given their position of half on, half off a pavement and blocking an entrance, and that they only just arrived in that position suggests that despite the hazards they are likely to move again and probably forward. Even bad drivers don't tend to stay in a position quite that poor for any length of time.

It is a real pet peeve of mine when drivers park illegally and think that putting hazards on solves all. Drives me mad. The favourite of course is the stopping on double yellows made so much better by having two wheels on the pavement and hazards on.

Back on point though it is true that far too many older people make some horrible diving decisions and have zero awareness of what is outside of their tunnel view of the road. Almost every fatal accident in my area since I have been cycling is by an older driver, many of which should not be on the road as they have no spatial awareness. Relying on an older driver to make a shoulder check when they have already shown that they are a bad driver is akin to relying on a lottery win to pay your bills. It might happen but I wouldn't count on it.

If my Hazards are on I means ive stopped for more than a few seconds it means minutes at least

 

[jefmcg]

+1 hazards definitely indicate car has stopped for more than a moment. They also suggest that they are thinking of other drivers. I'd expect such a driver to be aware before moving off.

 

[winjim]

If my hazard lights are on it means that my car has broken down and I ain't going anywhere. There is no other use for them, save on the motorway, where they are used to warn of hazards ahead.

 

[mjr]

If my hazard lights are on it means that my car has broken down and I ain't going anywhere. There is no other use for them, save on the motorway, where they are used to warn of hazards ahead.

You may also use them if you are stopped to give assistance at a crash. http://highwaycode.info/rule/283

They are absolutely not park-anywhere lights and are a quick way to attract the attention of parking enforcement officers around here - ostensibly to offer assistance but they're not slow to write a ticket if no assistance is needed!

 

[50000tears]

Hopefully we all know what hazards mean and when they are correct to be used. But I am still not going to assume correct use from someone who has already shown very poor judgement.

 

[liambauckham]

I find it fascinating how the general consensus is to team up against cyclists. its almost as though seeing someone on a bike evokes a kind of insecurity i.e. im not fit.... they make me feel bad about being lazy etc etc.

all that shoot about "you dont pay road tax" well yeah i do.

it always makes me chuckle when people thing paying taxes gives them a right to something..... we pay taxes because they make us its not a subscription

 

[classic33]

Hopefully we all know what hazards mean and when they are correct to be used. But I am still not going to assume correct use from someone who has already shown very poor judgement.

How would you get past a stationary vehicle, that's illegaly parked and blocking an entrance then?
Waiting behind it isn't always the safest option. Nothing to indicate the drivers intended actions or that the person behind had even been seen.

 

[Drago]

So what if you didn't pay road tax? What's that got to do with motorists behaving like peckers?

 

[Profpointy]

So what if you didn't pay road tax? What's that got to do with motorists behaving like peckers?

I undertand you're supposed to pay extra tax if you leave your car at home and cycle. Presumably it's more again if you walk.

Also motorists always give way to lorries, pulling over to let them past because they pay more tax

 

[winjim]

Rode tacks? That's a surefire way to get a puncture.

 

[classic33]

Rode tacks? That's a surefire way to get a puncture.

Or a pain in the backside.

 

[Sara_H]

How would you get past a stationary vehicle, that's illegaly parked and blocking an entrance then?
Waiting behind it isn't always the safest option. Nothing to indicate the drivers intended actions or that the person behind had even been seen.

I'm interester to know how long people think I should have waited for.

 

[Profpointy]

I'm interester to know how long people think I should have waited for.

presumably she wouldn't have left it there more than an hour or two. People are so impatient these days