Issue with a 'driver'

[Lanzecki]

Hi,

I've hesitated about posting this for 2-3 days. But I'm looking for advice.

We live in rural Ireland where everyone know, or knows of everyone else. I know the driver and her family to wave to.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YuCRsRsIRg


There's a passing place 10 secs in front that we were going to use. The cyclist coming the other way is a nephew. Remember 180 degrees of camera range make the car appear further away. My daughters are 11 years old and learning the road. My Nephew is an accomplished cyclist but with no road training.

I should have taken primary, but who would have thought the car would overtake.

Do I report? I know the driver. Reporting this may cause issues with our respective families. I know approaching the driver or her father (driver is 19) will be pointless and possibly even more dangerous for me. As I said I should have taken primary, but I'd never have expected a pass there. For comparison, see here for my normal approach to drivers playing silly buggers :


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ztH4rXDctU


PS this is not a Traffic Droid attempt at getting views. They are there for me.

It's worth saying thought, that there are vids there of me doing stupid stuff, I'm no saint, but I post the good and bad.

 

[Lanzecki]

Extra, I was livid at the time, and thought I'd calm down, but I'm still angry

 

[Cycling Dan]

Another camera user.... why don't you just enjoy the ride bla bla bla. Ok so with that out the way as I already covered it guys.

For the first one I personally think that a public figure such as an officer could have a word with the boy. A police officer talking to him in a formal manner should be enough to make any person think twice when they come to a similar situation. Maybe a simple slap with section 59 which fit more than the criteria it was set up for would do the trick. Nothing major.
I wouldn't advise confronting the driver or the dad. The driver will only be resistant and well need I say more. A talk with the Dad will either go one of two ways. It spirals out of control and escalates or maybe the dad will promise something but nothing really comes of it. That's what I see possibility happening anyhow. With the police is there job and rather than some "bitchy" neighbor it is a powerful figure of authority which may come across with more of a punch.

 

[Dayvo]

To be honest, apart from driving too quickly, the car didn't appear to be too close to you. Presumably it must have been closer in real time.

Hope you're able to have 'friendly' words with the driver, esp. if you show her the video.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

If I was going to report/show anyone in authority it would be the second one, the first maybe from the camera type was a none event.

However I would consider your own actions in these videos, your language is not good to be around an eleven year old girl, also your aggressiveness is likely to put her off cycling for life.

Alan...

 

[Cycling Dan]

If I was going to report/show anyone in authority it would be the second one, the first maybe from the camera type was a none event.

However I would consider your own actions in these videos, your language is not good to be around an eleven year old girl, also your aggressiveness is likely to put her off cycling for life.

Alan...

Overtaking into another cyclist on the opposite side of the road. Also the unsocial horn, I disagree that it is a non event.

 

[Kookas]

If I was going to report/show anyone in authority it would be the second one, the first maybe from the camera type was a none event.

However I would consider your own actions in these videos, your language is not good to be around an eleven year old girl, also your aggressiveness is likely to put her off cycling for life.

Alan...

What bad do you actually think could come of that? Aside from just blindly protecting children from nothing.

Do you think she might use it herself? Eventually people grow up, and you won't protect them forever.

What happens if somebody swears in the street? Not everyone will act special for your child.

It's not like you can't convey the exact same message without 'swear words' anyway, if you're genuinely angry.

Instead of shielding them from reality, teach them how to deal with it.

 

[Spinney]

As Cycling Dan says, it almost looked like a non-event until I noticed the cyclist coming the other way. If the car wasn't too close to Lanzecki and his kids (which it likely was - remember that these cameras make the distances look greater than they were), it was def. too close to his nephew coming the other way.

 

[mr_cellophane]

She might not have seen your nephew as he is wearing black and tucked right into the side. Apart from that an appalling pass.

 

[Crackle]

Hard to say. It's ignorance isn't it. It's a complete lack of understanding of the needs and vulnerability of cyclists. This I find to be the normal behaviour of the small percentage of drivers who put me in danger, pure ignorance of a cyclists needs. If you spoke to her, which I think is the best option, how likely are you to illicit an understanding of what she just did. On that one it's over to you. And if you do speak to her, it has to be calmly and neutrally.

Is it your Nephew or hers? I was slightly confused on that.

 

[Kookas]

She might not have seen your nephew as he is wearing black and tucked right into the side. Apart from that an appalling pass.

I saw him very clearly on the camera, and so did you. The human eye is very much better than that camera, so if she didn't, then she is simply negligent. Though, she clearly is anyway, given her driving.

 

[Thomk]

It is a bad pass but perhaps just a mistake, lack of maturity, lack of training....just one of those things? I understand your anger.

 

[Lanzecki]

I delibratly delayed replying to let people discuss it.

Another camera user.... why don't you just enjoy the ride bla bla bla. Ok so with that out the way as I already covered it guys.

One of the reasons why I didn't post this straight away mate. Cameras are almost as decisive as cycling in the NF.

For the first one I personally think that a public figure such as an officer could have a word with the boy. .[/QUOTE]

This this is the only route. To clarify, it's a woman I know (put a name to the face.) Her family are known around the area for being.... protective..

However I would consider your own actions in these videos, your language is not good to be around an eleven year old girl, also your aggressiveness is likely to put her off cycling for life.

You are kidding? TBH I was restrained. If that was your children you'd just tut, tut at her? Maybe you'd be a little frustrated.

It is a bad pass but perhaps just a mistake, lack of maturity, lack of training....just one of those things? I understand your anger.

Very true, it probably was all of those, but that lack of training and experience could have hurt people. Why should other road users be in danger of someone else?

To clear up a few points. The oncoming cyclist was MY nephew. I've given him a fluorescent bib, and extracted the promise to stop wearing black even though it's cool.

The road at the point she passed was 3100mm wide. The car (from fords stats) is 2045mm That's a less then 1055mm or 3.4 feet. In to picture below the right rear wheel was not on the edge. She was closer to the nephew then my daughter. Suffice to say I'd be as impressed if she knocked him off then my children. Heck family relationships don't matter here. They are human beings.

 

[wiggydiggy]

You know what I'd do if I was you?

As you know(ish) the driver I'd take the video down, then approach her with the footage as she probably thinks it was all fine and has no idea the danger she placed you in. Give her a polite education and if she's unrepentant stick it back up and tag everyone you know into it on facebook lol

Ps For all we know the horn might have been to say hello?

 

[Spinney]

THAT is a photo you need to print off to show to the girl/her parents/the police...

That road is only wide enough to overtake a cyclist, with care, if the car is right over on the right hand side.
The overtake of your daughter in the position the car is in is probably OK if done slowly, and of course if there was no-one coming the other way.