Ivan Cameron - RIP

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Mr Pig

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papercorn2000 said:
They spoke about having lost not only the child but also the teenager, the young adult and ultimately the grandchildren.

Indeed. Aware of our own mortality I believe most of us project our hopes and dreams on to our children, we see them as how we carry on in this world. It doesn't make sense but we do it anyway.
 

Abitrary

New Member
Sad though it is, I never even knew he had a severly disabled child. Yet I know about jordans next planned breast reduction.

Do newspaper editors call a truce on this sort of stuff... or are they leant on?
 

postman

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Location
,Leeds
It will be hard on the other two little ones.He will be missed by them also.I hope they all cope and remember the good times.
 

HelenD123

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Location
York
Abitrary said:
Sad though it is, I never even knew he had a severly disabled child. Yet I know about jordans next planned breast reduction.

Do newspaper editors call a truce on this sort of stuff... or are they leant on?

He's been very open about it. It's been no secret that he had a disabled son.
 
papercorn2000 said:
It may not be as applicable in this specific case, but I heard on the radio recently someone lamenting the loss of a child. They spoke about having lost not only the child but also the teenager and their travails, the young adult on the cusp of making their own way in the world, the college graduation, the wedding and ultimately the grandchildren. They put it in a particularly poignant way which made me feel suddenly very sad.

I've never been one for public speaking but a few years ago I attended the funeral of a baby, born to my mum's best friend's son and his wife. They had travelled down to London to meet their first grand child within a few hours of him being born but as soon as they arrived back in Hereford received a call that the baby had aquired a massive infection and had died. Pure joy turned to terrible grief in a matter of hours.

I attended the funeral with my mum (she needed the support). The service was held in a beautiful modern wooden chapel in the Forest of Dean. The parents were/ are members of an evangelical ministry and had, it seemed, brought most of the congregation with them. Their 'minister' used the occasion to preach. At no point in the 'ceremony' did he refer to the tiny tiny white coffin in the corner of the room. It was so sad. I wanted to stand up and say something. I couldn't because it wasn't my gig but we all left thinking that at no point had he mentioned the actual loss.

I don't have kids but I know a few. You imagine how their lives will pan out, how their characters will form, the influence they'll have on those around them, how they in turn will spawn new uns and life goes on. At no point did he acknowledge the loss of life, of lost potential, of the little person in the box who didn't get to experience any of the things we take for granted. Sunlight, love, pain, learning to walk, ride a bike, not even his mother's tit.

They all, including the parents, walked out actually smiling. 'He's in heaven now'.
 

Mr Pig

New Member
But Christian's have a different view on life. It's not all there is. Life is like 'giving birth' to a resident of heaven! Painful, messy but relatively short no matter how long the person lives.

Christians feel pain and loss, believe me. But what we have that makes a difference is hope.

Incidentally. Most Christians, myself included, believe that all young children who die go to heaven.
 
Ok. I do appreciate that Mr P. It does leave the rest of us a little bemused sometimes though. Perhaps the folk in question forgot that not everyone shares their view of the universe.
 

Abitrary

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mickle said:
Sorry, didn't intend to hijack.

I am aware of your foibles but some on here may not be as forgiving as I.

On some aviation forums I've seen thread hijacking equalling a life time ban.
 

Mr Pig

New Member
mickle said:
Perhaps the folk in question forgot that not everyone shares their view of the universe.

But if it's your family's funeral you are totally entitled to do what you want. I think it's pretty selfish to even think that an entire group of people should consider being miserable and distraught just because you don't understand why they're not. Perhapse you should bear in mind that by not believing in God it is YOU who is in the minority! ;0)
 
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