Just when my blokeyness was reaching a peak, this happens! Electrical question....

[Milkfloat]

If you can leave the rose in-situ and cover it with the new fitting then it is easy, if the rose needs to come out I would call a sparky.

 

[Levo-Lon]

The new bathroom light fittings usually have a bracket so you can leave the rose and get the wires in..the new light fixes to the bracket and not the rose.

hopefully the same as mine..

 

[raleighnut]

The new bathroom light fittings usually have a bracket so you can leave the rose and get the wires in..the new light fixes to the bracket and not the rose.

hopefully the same as mine..



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Did you do the same as me, use a short length of 3 core flex to join the new lamp to the outside terminals of the mounted ceiling rose/fitting.

 

[Markymark]

I thought you can do wiring up to adding a spur?

 

[irw]

I thought you can do wiring up to adding a spur?

You can do whatever you want to...whether it is Part P notifiable or not to Building Control, and whether you are competent to or not is a different matter! If you decide to sell your house you may be asked to provide a certificate of compliance/electrical installation certificate for any work done. (I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the wiring colours changed round about the same time as the certificate came in which in a round about way shows if old installations have been modified since the regs came out...)

See Q5 here for a list of non-notifiable things .

I would argue that replacing the ceiling rose for a suitable junction box (that I've got a feeling can't just be shoved in a ceiling void as one poster suggested- I think there's a rule about junction boxes having to be accessible for inspection or such like) in the attic could qualify as "Replacing accessories such as socket-outlets, control switches and ceiling roses".

Hope this helps clear up a few things- I'm not a qualified sparky, but I do have a good grounding (b-dum tsh!) in electrics as part of my day job, and as we're about to buy a house that will need rewiring, I've been reading an awful lot about this sort of stuff recently!

Ian

 

[pclay]

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It is not illegal to do this work. It is in a special location, but I assume the ceiling light is outside of the bathroom zones. If it is, then It is not part p notifiable. It just comes down to competence, which is not really defined in BS7671. Do you feel happy doing the work? If not, get in an electrician.

 

[Levo-Lon]

I rewired the upper floor of my house when i changed the floor plan,new spurs,the ring main..10mm shower cables and new lighting and a 2 way circuit for hall and a crridore that needed light switches..all new cables..they were quite old..mid 70's and black insulation so old.
just got my BiL to check it after as he has been a sparks..i have a certificate too from building work.

10mm cable to the consumer box and shower switch .. wrestling an angry python sort of job ..

 

[gbb]

Competent, there's a funny word. Its so open to interpretation it's almost meaningless.
I raised this with a former employer, I work on simple 3 phase stuff, replacing motors, contactors etc, fault finding....I dont have a qualification to my name.
I raised the issue with them from a legal and H&S perspective. They considered it fine, I was internally trained by a qualified electrician (not formally but on the job training)
IIRC, you used to be able to install gas cooker bayonet hoses..if you were 'competent'...which is laughable really.

 

[User482]

I solved a similar problem through the process of elimination. Spare fuse wire required!

 

[slowmotion]

The last Part P certified electrician who stepped over my threshold used 20 amp junction boxes on the 32 amp fused ring main. Hey! He's an expert.

 

[fossyant]

Ikea lights are a pain for not fitting over the existing rose plate.

 

[Profpointy]

The last Part P certified electrician who stepped over my threshold used 20 amp junction boxes on the 32 amp fused ring main. Hey! He's an expert.

pedantically he's qualified but not expert nor competant

 

[fossyant]

I always leave the rose in - well on the two I've changed the fittings - both in the kids rooms.

 

[cosmicbike]

All mine are on roses, makes looping through easy and it's accessible. Only use jb's in lofts now where easily accessible for the 10 yearly periodic inspection which all householders do.....
Part P, I thought there were plans to scrap it?

 

[fossyant]

Fitted a new shower a couple of years ago, when I re-plumbed/decorated the bathroom. New shower was 9.5KWH and above the existing 8.5KWH. Had to double check the wiring was 10mm to cope, it was.

Switched off the circuit breaker, double checked the shower and pressed ON - the shower turned on. Went down stairs, and the oven was off. The bloody builder has cross labeled the shower and oven !!!