Guernsey apparently has Old Norse origins which I suppose makes sense as it was part of the Duchy of Normandy. It must have taken the Normans a bit of a while to pick up French.It looks like the island is the same pronunciation in Gaelic
So which came first ?
Was the clothing named after the island, or the island after the clothing ?
(Guernsey I guess would have originally been in the Gaeltacht, as it right next to Brittany)
Thanks, I've seen both but they're usefulYou might be interested in Simon Roper's youtube channel on linguistics, particularly old and middle English, and the phonology of the varied accents of English as spoken across the UK.
He is so relaxed in his delivery that I find watching his videos a mixture of education and meditation at the same time. Really interesting stuff!
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lXv3Tt4x20
In this video he examines the swear words fark, daffodil and shoot over the centuries.
(This is an academic analysis of the swear words but he does say them a lot so if you're of a delicate disposition don't watch it.)
View: https://youtu.be/ARgGguQlQ0w
I'm busy this evening, but will post something in reply tomorrowI'm sure you can ...
But seriously, feel free. Who would you say is using RP now - and did who did they pick it up from?
(are you a R4 listener? They recently have a new continuity announcer who speaks the most amazing "propa" English. Just occasionally he really mangles a word*, but generally has amazing diction that I could never match
*IMO, that )
He does emphasise that he’s not a linguist so I wouldn’t expect him to be spot on and, refreshingly for youtube content, he invites, and is genuinely pleased to receive, corrections. He’s instantly become one of my favourite channels.He knows his phonetics, but I could nitpick his 'performance' of some of the vowel sounds
Yes but Brian Sewell was a bigoted Southern Twunt!That's not true, really, for many years now regional accents have been more than evident, not only in progs, but in news, weather, breakfast TV, the One show, etc. Art critic the late Brian Sewell used to complain that the BBC would no longer employ him because his accent was too posh.
Here we goBut seriously, feel free. Who would you say is using RP now - and did who did they pick it up from?
(are you a R4 listener? They recently have a new continuity announcer who speaks the most amazing "propa" English. Just occasionally he really mangles a word*, but generally has amazing diction that I could never match
*IMO, that )
Rhoticity can also be found for some speakers in East Anglia, though really not many these days.I hadn't realised until I watched Simon that rhoticity in England has shrunk to just the West Country and part of Lancashire. in fact, I wasn't really aware that rhoticity was a thing.
The one that I find inexplicably irritating (maybe a good one for that thread of annoying things) is the linking ‘r’. Many speakers in England will insert an ‘r’ sound where one word ends in a vowel and a second word begins with a vowel. For example, vanilla ice becomes vanilla (r)ice, law and order becomes law(r) and order. You can even hear it inside a word; drawing becomes draw(r)ing!Rhoticity can also be found for some speakers in East Anglia, though really not many these days.
For the uninitiated/interested, rhoticity refers to:
a) pronouncing an 'r' which appears in the spelled word after a vowel, when the 'r' is the final letter:
e.g. 'car'. I am a non-rhotic speaker, and do not pronounce the 'r'. Most Scottish and Irish speakers are rhotic, and do pronounce the 'r'. So do most Americans (USA). Also consider the examples given by @Genau above.
b) pronouncing an 'r' which appears in the spelled word after a vowel and before a consonant:
e.g. 'park'. I, as a non-rhotic speaker do not pronounce the 'r'. Rhotic speakers would do so.
c) When the 'r' is between two vowel sounds, all speakers would typically pronounce it (e.g. 'carrot').
I do it all the timeThe one that I find inexplicably irritating (maybe a good one for that thread of annoying things) is the linking ‘r’. Many speakers in England will insert an ‘r’ sound where one word ends in a vowel and a second word begins with a vowel. For example, vanilla ice becomes vanilla (r)ice, law and order becomes law(r) and order. You can even hear it inside a word; drawing becomes draw(r)ing!
I have no idea how it came about but it does make my ears go back when I hear it.
How did that speech style come about? Why are there non-rhotic speakers who don't do that? (Feel free to ignore those questions, I'm simply thinking out loud.)I do it all the timeMost non-rhotic speakers do
(between words, anyway). Within words varies, but I've noted Prince Harry doing it.
Not sure how it came about, but it's far from new. Non-rhotics who don't do it probably do some of the time anyway, some may choose not to do it (within words) because they consider it wrong. Then we get into accent and class, which is a delightful minefieldHow did that speech style come about? Why are there non-rhotic speakers who don't do that? (Feel free to ignore those questions, I'm simply thinking out loud.)
Good spot. A lot of people do it, some more so than others, but she is remarkably consistent in doing so.Missing the final 'g' off words ending in 'ing' is a habit I've noticed recently.
Our esteemed home secretary is one of many with this affectation.
In this short clip, the second time she says 'speaking' it comes out as 'speakin', and towards the end she says 'keepin' rather than 'keeping'.
View: https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1363936454217510915?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet