La Vuelta 2025 ***SPOILERS***

[mjr]

Visma timming ? Wrong pacing stratergy

Misjudged the wind effects from the recon, according to Jorgenson interview. He seemed unhappy not to go to the podium.

 

[No Ta Doctor]

Misjudged the wind effects from the recon, according to Jorgenson interview. He seemed unhappy not to go to the podium.

From what I've heard riders say in interviews, winning a TTT is massive, as it's the only time they get to win as a team (other than the team comp which is always a very poor second best to whatever other goals they have)

 

[matticus]

From what I've heard riders say in interviews, winning a TTT is massive, as it's the only time they get to win as a team (other than the team comp which is always a very poor second best to whatever other goals they have)

I can certainly believe that ; but it still makes terrible viewing!
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IPT incident: I don't normally nitpick these things, but it looked one of the riders deliberately rode to the RIGHT of the moto that was attempting to clear a path, and ended up tangled with a clearly visible person (protestor?) on the far right* of the road. He could have just followed his team thru the gap down the middle-ish. What the heck?!?

*See what I did there? Hmmm??

 

[T4tomo]

From what I've heard riders say in interviews, winning a TTT is massive, as it's the only time they get to win as a team (other than the team comp which is always a very poor second best to whatever other goals they have)

We definitely need more, especially shortish ones like this. They don't overly distort the GC placings but they do mix it all up a bit.

I find them more interesting viewing than an ITT for what its worth

 

[Dogtrousers]

We definitely need more, especially shortish ones like this. They don't overly distort the GC placings but they do mix it all up a bit.

I find them more interesting viewing than an ITT for what its worth

They're also more efficient and easier to follow and digest than an ITT, what with riders being started in team batches rather than dribbled out individually, which seems to take forever.

I like them.

 

[Archie from BR]

Just had a look at today's weather forecast for Olot, looks wet and grim, hope they stay safe on the decents

 

[No Ta Doctor]

They're also more efficient and easier to follow and digest than an ITT, what with riders being started in team batches rather than dribbled out individually, which seems to take forever.

I like them.

Yes! I didn't get to watch live, so I came home, made some food, and watched the whole thing over what - two hours? I wouldn't have even bothered finding the highlights for an ITT - though I'd watch one live.

They should probably do the individual times thing though, it's a better format

 

[T4tomo]

They should probably do the individual times thing though, it's a better format

what do you mean by that? that's what it is now. i.e. the top 4 of a team (or any in that group) get the time of the 4th rider. If you drop off the back or crash etc, then you get your actual time (at least I'm pretty sure it i - I have just check Sobrero (who crashed with Bora) for example who had a slower time credited yesterday than Hindley)

 

[KingstonGraham]

what do you mean by that? that's what it is now. i.e. the top 4 of a team (or any in that group) get the time of the 4th rider. If you drop off the back or crash etc, then you get your actual time (at least I'm pretty sure it i - I have just check Sobrero (who crashed with Bora) for example who had a slower time credited yesterday than Hindley)

They have experimented with there being no requirement to have any number together at the finish, so the time every rider (including the first rider) gets is the time they crossed the line even if all the other team members have been dropped.

I think it only slightly changes the tactics.

 

[Dogtrousers]

There was a women's TTT earlier this year that I think had unusual or experimental rules. Unfortunately my memory is like a sieve so I've forgotten the details. And I probably wasn't paying attention at the time anyway.

 

[T4tomo]

They have experimented with there being no requirement to have any number together at the finish, so the time every rider (including the first rider) gets is the time they crossed the line even if all the other team members have been dropped.

I think it only slightly changes the tactics.

I much prefer the 4th across the line, keeps the T in TTT.

 

[Pross]

Misjudged the wind effects from the recon, according to Jorgenson interview. He seemed unhappy not to go to the podium.

He came across a bit dickish in that interview. I thought he was usually quite an approachable rider.

 

[No Ta Doctor]

There was a women's TTT earlier this year that I think had unusual or experimental rules. Unfortunately my memory is like a sieve so I've forgotten the details. And I probably wasn't paying attention at the time anyway.

Paris-Nice have done it twice (men) in the last couple of years

I much prefer the 4th across the line, keeps the T in TTT.

It doesn't actually change tactics all that much, as the fastest way to get to the line is with a team effort, but it's quite fun to see if they do a lead-out sprint in the last km - you can have a rider completely empty the tank to take the speed up at 1km out without worrying about getting back on

 

[wakemalcolm]

Yesterday's was a good one but I think people will get bored of they become more common.
It does tilt to the big team too, to the point that the Tour had to manipulate timing differences one year to prevent it from skewing the GC too much.
One of the reasons it worked for me is that the GC doesn't now read like a PCS start list. To achieve that you have to have some GC action ahead of the TTT which doesn't work with every parcours, and you have to have the TTT within the first few days.
Would be good to see them restricted to road bikes although I'm at the very thin end of a wedge that ends with the TTT being run early on a Sunday morning down a dual carriageway.

 

[No Ta Doctor]

Yesterday's was a good one but I think people will get bored of they become more common.
It does tilt to the big team too, to the point that the Tour had to manipulate timing differences one year to prevent it from skewing the GC too much.
One of the reasons it worked for me is that the GC doesn't now read like a PCS start list. To achieve that you have to have some GC action ahead of the TTT which doesn't work with every parcours, and you have to have the TTT within the first few days.
Would be good to see them restricted to road bikes although I'm at the very thin end of a wedge that ends with the TTT being run early on a Sunday morning down a dual carriageway.

One thing in their favour is that they allow longer transfers without adding much stress - because the whole thing can be done in a couple of hours it can start later, giving riders a chance to make a long transfer and still get some rest. TT bikes can also be sent ahead and the road bikes have two days to make it to the next stage. So with teams and riders becoming more vocal about transfer lengths we might see more of them just for logistical reasons.