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Police style powers for groups that are a type of 'civil enforcement officers' small course and cost to be registered. Able to fine, take photos of you and take your details etc.

Powers for security officers, shopping malls etc, but presenter is saying that even British Cycling also have these powers.........

another good excuse to do a bit of cycling bashing.


So can British Cycling have the powers to fine us for dropping litter etc....

Apparently british cycling have a large number of people with these special powers


Any thoughts
 

XmisterIS

Purveyor of fine nonsense
AFAIK, you are not obliged to give your personal details to anyone in a public place except if they are a police officer, nor are you obliged to do anything that anyone tells you to do in a public place, unless again they are a police officer. I can't see how that could change without a very grey area being introduced.

I recall seeing a TV program where the presenter was standing on the public highway taking photos of some corporation's headquarters and a security guard came out and told him to stop and tried to take his camera away. The presenter effectively told him, "I can do what I like here mate unless I've committed a crime and you're the police or this place is MOD property, which I haven't and you're not and it isn't, so sod off".
 

Friz

The more you ride, the less your ass will hurt.
Location
Ireland
Any thoughts


Yeah. Just wondering has England gone completely insane. Do people actually WANT to fulfill these kinds of roles? I mean, sure, there are alot of closet ar$eholes about, but why cater to them?
 

Friz

The more you ride, the less your ass will hurt.
Location
Ireland
Of course they do. Tyrants don't keep themselves in power, they are backed by tens of thousands willing and able to do their dirty work for them.

You know, that is exactly the image that popped into my head. The "good" citizens of 1930's Germany, informing on the "bad" ones to curry favour with those in power.

Cept now it can be done via Youtube.....
 
OP
OP
S

Sore Thumb

Guru
There are people that have these powers, and for quite some time. As a person came on the show that is employed by the council said he had powers to issue fines for litter, dog fowling etc ... They seem to do an accredited police course and also get a uniform and a type of warrant card.

So why do British Cycling need marshals that have these powers??
 

XmisterIS

Purveyor of fine nonsense
There are people that have these powers, and for quite some time. As a person came on the show that is employed by the council said he had powers to issue fines for litter, dog fowling etc ... They seem to do an accredited police course and also get a uniform and a type of warrant card.

So why do British Cycling need marshals that have these powers??

TBH I don't see that as being any different from what we've always had. Surely there have always been signs on busses saying something like "no spitting, fine 50 hapence farthing", or whatever the currency was back then!

But I don't think these "accredited" people have the power to arrest you or force you to identify yourself if you don't want to. Sure, they have the power to take your photo, but then with a few exceptions surely everyone has the right to take a photo of whoever they want in a public place?
 

Saddle bum

Über Member
Location
Kent
Found this on't Interweb. I dare say there is an equivalent for England. Seems sensible to me if the aim is to ensure safety of the riders and reduce costs by not employing proper Plod. Hardly any point in having marshals for a race if people can ignore them with impunity.





Community Safety Accreditation Scheme

The Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005, which inserted new paragraphs into the Police Reform Act 2002 created the Community Safety Accreditation Scheme. This is often referred to as “CSAS”.

This legislation allows Chief Constables to confer powers normally only available to the Police Service on accredited persons who are employed by accredited companies. The Chief Constable may confer a number of powers ranging from the issue of Fixed Penalty Notices to the stopping and directing of vehicles and the stopping of pedestrians using a road.

Welsh Cycling was granted Accredited Company status in Gwent Police Force area in March 2007. In April 2009 Welsh Cycling was granted Accredited Company status by all the Welsh Police force areas and to this day continues to be accredited throughout Wales.

The powers conferred on Welsh Cycling’s Accredited Cycle Marshals are;

1. The power of a constable engaged in the regulation of traffic in a road to direct a person driving or propelling a vehicle to stop the vehicle or make it proceed in, or keep to, a particular line of traffic.

2. The power of a constable in uniform engaged in the regulation of vehicular traffic in a road to direct a person on foot to stop proceeding along or across the carriageway.

If individuals neglect or refuse to comply with directions given then the following offences will be committed;

1. Section 35 provides the offences of drivers neglecting or refusing to comply with traffic directions given by an accredited person

2. Section 37 provides the offence of persons on foot and other traffic failing to obey directions given by an accredited person

3. Paragraph 3A Sc 5 Police Reform Act 2002 enables accredited persons to require the name and address of a person who fails to follow directions

Frequently Asked Questions:​
Q. How does a company become accredited?

A. The company has to apply to the Police Forces where it wishes to be accredited. It has to satisfy strict criteria that show that the company is suitable to receive accredited status by providing the Police with their organisational polices and procedures, insurance certificates etc, conducts a course of business requires such powers applied for, that it will be of benefit to the community and NEEDS the powers to conduct its business.

Q. How does someone become an Accredited Person? A. Like the company, that person has to apply to become an accredited person and satisfy the Police Service that they are a suitable person. There has to be terms and conditions/contract in place

This includes the requirement for the terms and conditions to be signed by the applicants and they need to pass security vetting to the required standard.

When the accreditation is granted the Cycle Marshal will need to wear a high visibility uniform displaying the nationally recognised accreditation badge.

It is essential to note the Cycle Marshals can only exercise their powers when an event is endorsed by Welsh Cycling.

Q. Is there any training involved?

A. Yes. The training has to be appropriate to the powers being conferred. In the case of Accredited Cycle Marshals they receive a full days training which includes an input on legislation, risk assessment, conflict management and practical exercises in stopping and directing traffic and pedestrians. A knowledge check is also carried out.

Q. Why aren’t the Police managing the traffic on such events?

A. The Association of Police Officers (ACPO) have made a policy decision that they will not normally carry out traffic control duties at pre-planned events. This is in order to concentrate their resources on their core duties of dealing with crime and disorder.

Q. I have heard that the Police don’t actually have the powers to stop and direct traffic at pre-planned events. Is that right?

A. Legal advice from the Home Office is that current legislation does confer the power on the Police to carry out traffic control duties at pre-planned events.

Q. Do the CSAS accredited cycle marshals have the power to stop and direct traffic at pre-planned events?

A. Yes. The legislation and the advice from the Home Office is that the CSAS cycle marshals have the powers conferred on them by the scheme when at authorised events. In the case of cycle races in Wales this means that they must be Welsh Cycling endorsed events.

Q. Wouldn’t it be easier to have a road closure for cycle races and other events on the roads?

A. Most cycling racing on road does and many other events do not require a road closure. The traffic only needs to be stopped briefly whilst the race or event passes. Events that require exclusive use of the road for prolonged periods will need road closures e.g. street parties.
 
So why do British Cycling need marshals that have these powers??
I'm guessing that they would like to have the powers to direct traffic around cycling events? Kinda makes sense - cost effective, and I can just think (took me some time, but I did get there in the end!) of more important priorities for a constabulary?

Hmmmm - but if these guys ............. damn, it'd be gibbets on every street corner!
 
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