skwerl said:hmm. do you have the HC rule? They're surrounded by diagonal lines/chevrons inside broken lines which means there's no rule forbidding entry. The bollards have a blue, keep left arrow on them but those are positive instructions, not orders.
mm101 said:Blue circle signs give mandatory instruction
marinyork said:Irrelevent and you are wrong they mostly do give positive instruction. The issue is arrow signs, some are in rectangular boxes and are still mandatory.
marinyork said:It's the arrow which is the important bit. Anyway as I've already said even if there were no arrow there were chevrons. It's pretty clear what you should be doing. It's even more clear beyond that overtaking at a pinch point in the wrong direction is not a great thing to be doing.
Origamist said:Yep, my point exactly.
Which is doubly worrying when it turns out (as it often does) that they don't even know the law.marinyork said:Ah, well we're a minority I'm afraid, there are many people round here who think that only direct laws should be obeyed and that behaviour otherwise is fairly irrelevent.
marinyork said:Irrelevent and you are wrong they mostly do give positive instruction. The issue is arrow signs, some are in rectangular boxes and are still mandatory.
Hmmm. I wonder if we're talking about the same thing here? On my route home, there are several 'traffic islands', by which I mean little 'islands' usually with a lamp-post in the middle of them, that pedestrians can use as a staging post as they cross the road. Is it actually illegal for me to go past those on the right hand side of the road? (I do, quite often, if there's a stationary line of traffic on my side, with a car too close to the island for me to get thru' the gap. So long as there are no pedestrains around and it's otherwise clearly safe of course.) I ask not least because it's never occured to me that I was doing anything even borderline illegal - I'd have no hesitation doing it right in front of plod. If it really is strictly illegal, I'd be a bit more circumspect in future.Origamist said:It is against the law. Pedestrians often use them as a half-way house and are less likley to look in the opposite direction of traffic flow.
swee said:'traffic islands', by which I mean little 'islands' usually with a lamp-post in the middle of them, that pedestrians can use as a staging post as they cross the road[/B]. Is it actually illegal for me to go past those on the right hand side of the road? (I do, quite often, if there's a stationary line of traffic on my side, with a car too close to the island for me to get thru' the gap. So long as there are no pedestrains around and it's otherwise clearly safe of course.) I ask not least because it's never occured to me that I was doing anything even borderline illegal - I'd have no hesitation doing it right in front of plod. If it really is strictly illegal, I'd be a bit more circumspect in future.
mm101 said:Not wishing to get into a protracted debated about this..
The HC says: signs with blue circles but no red borders mostly give positive instruction
The DfT Know your road signs says: blue circles generally give a mandatory instruction such as turn left or indicate a route available only to particular classes of traffic e.g. buses and cycles only
The sign we are talking about falls under the category of a "regulatory sign" as you have to stick to that side of the road. Or, for instance, at a roundabout it is mandatory which direction you enter and move.