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gbb

Legendary Member
Location
Peterborough
Reading Crankarms post....And the worst thing is, while they operate with that kind of mentality, even if they fail in the end, they'll probably drag a good LBS or two down with them in the time they did operate.
I personally have no time for that kind of outlet, theyre sanitised, aloof. (IME)
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Well I was in the Specialised "concept" store in Chelmsford several weeks ago as my car was being MOTd a few doors down at Halfords (it passed no advisories). To pass the time I went and had a look. Certainly lots of space and high prices to match. It felt like a car showroom. Anyway I saw a saddle I liked and not really needing a new saddle I thought I would give it a go. £30 wasn't too bad a price and a bit off with BC membership would make the price easier to swallow. The guy at the till said they didn't do cycling discounts not for BC anyway.

Me: "Do you do discount for BC members?" Showed him my membership card.
Him: "Err.. no mate".
Me: "Surely BC the foremost cycling organisation in the UK promoting cycling, 10% off?"
Him: "Nope. Look mate we get lots of people coming in 'ere claiming discounts for all sorts - because they are teachers, doctors, all sorts".
Me: "But not BC members then?"
Him: "Dunno mate, but if we gave discounts for everything we wouldn't be in business".
Me: "Look, I've changed my mind I think I'll leave the saddle".

Now I thought the whole point of running a shop or any business was to make money. BC discount is generally 10%. It would hardly mean he made a loss on the sale as trade price is generally 50% of the retail price and then it was a Specialised own brand saddle, so the wholesale price they paid for it was probably 25-30% of the full retail price, so mark up would be 70% ish. Surely 90% of something is better than 100% of nothing? And giving British Cycling discount is hardly supporting any unrelated Micky Mouse organisation, it is the foremost body representing cycling in the UK. Period. Anyway they lost a sale. I hope they go bust and he loses his job which might be sooner than later if he continues with that attitude. Is it any wonder that people choose to shop with CRC who incidentally do give BC members a 10% discount off the value of total transaction once a month. Halfords also do discount for BC membership even if you are not buying cycling stuff! Decathlon does some good stuff, although the service can be a bit hit and miss in the UK as most retail jobs are filled by yoofs who know next to nothing and can only grunt to customers, but spend their time chatting between themselves. But the Decathlons I went to in Taiwan a couple of months ago were completely different, friendly, helpful and knowledgable staff. Great stuff and great prices, as like IKEA, they make most of their products under their own brand(s) names so products are cheaper.

Whilst the Specialised "Concept Store" in Chelmsford, the concept of not making money, is not an LBS in the traditional sense you have to question why some of these places are actually in business? Perhaps they make so much money they can afford to p155 a few people off, who cares, good riddance, we can manage without them, the Basil Fawlty school of business, or the training is so bad that they let sales slip through their hands. After a short time, the writing is on the wall, and they close. Despite having ridden a Specialised bike for quite a few years I wouldn't be sad. I'll just buy my stuff from elsewhere. It's their loss. Adapt or die.
Why should membership of any organisation come with an automatic entitlement to a discount? T use the example given by Smokin Joe earlier with regards model shops, I've two cards that can be used in certain places, I've never expected to be able to use both together("Why isn't it allowed?", is one I've heard a few times), or even just the one. Both are valid, but an automatic discount expected, never. I'll ask if they accept either, the first time I go there, they say "No", it's not asked again.

Maybe this automatic expectation of a discount, by those going into shops, isn't helping.
 

Bromptonaut

Rohan Man
Location
Bugbrooke UK
In spite of living on fringes of Northampton for nigh on thirty years I'd never heard of The Bike Shed.

What have we got left? Oakleys went a few years ago albeit being closed on Saturdays must have constrained their viability for years before. Newlec at Jimmy's end seem to keep going and there's a place just off Gold Street specialising in older stuff. Apart from Halford's and possibly a bargain bikes operation down Welly Road is there anything else?

On the upside I've found only this week that there's a Brompton dealer in Daventry and somebody in Towcester pushing mostly high end stuff.
 

gbb

Legendary Member
Location
Peterborough
Ehhh? It wasn't a rant at all. I suggest you and others are just trolling.
Tbf I didn' read it as a rant, more a disappointment that they don't accept cycling institutions discounts...and to me that seems fair enough to feel slightly disappointed if those discounts can be had somewhere else.
Depending on the item, usually accessories, not components, my traditional LBS usually knocks some off without me asking. Mind, I've brought two bikes from them and odds and sods over 10 years maybe.
In the same breath, I (if I'm in the right mood) will pay full whack for stuff if I decide I want it. I suspect they were very happy when I brought a Met helmet for £140, no questions, no request for a discount, none given. That probably helps them at the other end.
 
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Julia9054

Guru
Location
Knaresborough
I've always found Specialized very helpful. Went in to buy some shorts for my holiday a couple of years ago, they didn't have the ones I wanted so because I was going away the next day and did not have time to order online, they gave me the next model up for the price of shorts I had wanted.
Last time I bought a bike there, they gave me a £90 saddle for nothing and left the saddle it came with on the bike. The staff in there are helpful, unpatronising and enthusiastic
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
Some shops are slightly overpriced to start with, but pretty much everyone gets a discount, Cotswold Camping for instance, or the decades long DFS sale. Ask for a discount in Sainsbury's and I dare say you'll get a blank look. I wouldn't personally be offended if Sainsbury's wouldn't countenance a discount
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
Have you been to the Giant store near Lincoln. I would say running side by side with another business helps with overheads.
Just to back this up, this Giant shop is probably one good example of how bike shops are going to survive. It's part of a 'destination' shopping location; the lord and lady of the manor developed some old estate buildings into a farm shop and froo-froo commercial units that attract the moneyed punter. It's busy most weekends.

The shop itself has clearly had a lot of up-front investment. I guess it carries pretty much the complete range of Giant bikes, including a decent e-bike section. It also has a lot of space dedicated to the stuff that people are maybe more reluctant to buy online (clothes, shoes, the more personal kit) rather then trying to be a junk-shop of 'bits' that most regular cyclists are likely to pick up online. It also does the high-margin stuff like bike-fits. There's a coffee-and-cake counter (generally better and quieter than the main cafe). It also organises local rides, workshops etc.

High-value, high margin places like this are likely the future of bike shops. While the owners and staff may (or may not) love cycling, the shop is being run as a business first. The for-the-love-of-it mom 'n pop stores just can't make the margins any more to cover the rent and business rates and compete with online.
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
Most of the people who work there are keen cyclists.
I usually pop in when I'm at my mum and dads so don't know the staff too well, but I get that impression. More importantly I think, I've watched them with customers who are just exploring the idea of a bike and they're helpful, sensible and not up themselves. I can remember the not-so-local (I had to get from Alnwick down to Newcastle) old skool bike shop of my youth where the owners and staff were like the comic book guy in the Simpsons. Nothing grips my bowels like snooty shop staff.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
When I were a teen the famous Mead Speed motorbike shop in Newport Pagnell was much the same. They were so rude to customers and took the pith relentlessly out of them that its a wonder they made any money.
 

biggs682

Touch it up and ride it
Location
Northamptonshire
In spite of living on fringes of Northampton for nigh on thirty years I'd never heard of The Bike Shed.

On the upside I've found only this week that there's a Brompton dealer in Daventry and somebody in Towcester pushing mostly high end stuff.

Must admit i have also lived in and around Northampton for a similar time and i hadn't heard of them either

What about Alex Warwick Cycles or are they the Brompton dealer you were on about ?
 
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