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Pit Stop Pat

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I had sora 3500 on my genesis volant which had gear indicators and I can say with all honesty that I never found any use for them, they just made the top of the shifters a bit ugly.
I think demanding gear indication is just complicating an already difficult wish list.
If you're prepared to pay for r8000, perhaps you should simplify, go back to the drawing board and look at a 1x drive train or at the least a mtb set up

You have no idea how pleasantly surprised i was when i saw the Sora shifters had a heads up display. So much better than my Sram, but then again that`s just my take on it. There is no two ways about the gear display, i`m not installing any shifters without these. I think the R8000 crankset is the way to go. 1 drive is not happening. No simplified cheapo way out here, just the usual 2x10/11 set up. The R8000 looks pretty sweet as well. Looks like it`s about £200 retail.
 

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I bought my road type handlebar CX in 2012. That`s the only such bike with road shifters i`ve ever owned. Before that it`s been MTB all the way. And all of those had some type of gear display so i`m used to that.
And therein lies the difference.
My first roadbike had Huret 5 speed friction shifters. 2 x 6 Shimano SIS years later was the ultimate in luxury, but it was still DT shifters & no display.

To be fair, with DT shifters you have the tactile feedback of the lever position, and when I first got STI, and found that although changing was easier, the display was a) unreliable and b) very difficult to read, I learned to listen to my legs a bit more, and just change up or down to maintain optimum cadence. I changed (mostly) to Campag some years ago and AFAIK they've never had a display. I've certainly never missed it.
 
1 drive is not happening. No simplified cheapo way out here, just the usual 2x10/11 set up.
I said simplified, I definitely didn't say cheap! :smile:
I'm honestly a bit confused here: who is this bike for? You seem to be building on commission but you don't seem to be considering the person that's gonna have to live with it! For instance, have you asked the rider whether they would have any use for a gear display? Cos' it's looking like you're in a minority of one here! Also, (and probs more important) what is the gear range that they are most likely to ride in? perhaps she(? Ruby is a lady's bike isn't it?) doesn't use the biggest (or smallest) ring, a lot of folks rarely change front rings.
You are right when assuming i am complicating things, but this is what i always have done to challenge myself and to discover new things. Looking at different components weights and other specs allows me to see the bigger picture and how things correlate. Personally, this is how i progress!
Please don't think I'm being critical, I'm merely trying to point out that you seem to have complicated yourself into a corner.
So in honour of the thought exercise: yes it could be done, probably the best [or most complicated :smile:] way to get useable road gears and some form of get out of jail gear, without resorting to triples is a 10 speed mtb set up on the back and 10 speed road chainset (perhaps with touring chainrings).
And the simple way to do it without a triple would probably be
1) r8000 with 34t rear cassette and whatever the smallest small ring it'll take at the front, taking into account chain wrap, or
2) look at some touring bike setups, see how they do it, and maybe have a chat with some touring specialists (SJS cycles and Spa cycles come readily to mind).
 
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Hahaha nope not building on commission, just breaking the bank to get my mum aged 68 something with an X factor. Shes Very fit for her age, but doesn`t have a clue about technical stuff and i really mean that. For instance she tells me there`s a sudden bang when she pedals, but i keep telling her not to pedal too hard when shifting gears. After i indexed the bike for her i asked her if the shifting improved, well she said no, lol. I don`t even know if she understands what i am telling her or maybe she just doesn`t want to learn. She uses her bike when commuting to work and pretty much every day of the year and tells me she wished she had a lighter bike. Her current bike clocks in at 36lbs or 16kg. Just try to imagine how she will feel when i surprise her with her new bike. I am working very hard to get the weight down from 8.5 kg to 7.5 kg as the weight is the major issue here but then again i also want to get her something of high quality. Just removed the Sora triple crankset from the Ruby frame and the damn thing weighed 1030 grams! The R8000 double is around 690 grams. The wheelset that came with the Ruby were 1900 grams and i just mounted on some new ones at 1500 grams, so i`m already below the 8 kg mark. I also believe a carbon flat bar will be lighter than a road handlebar. I have a pair of ultralight flat pedals at 195 grams for the pair. I found out i can use the 11 speed R8000 crankset in conjunction with a 10 speed cassette, but not sure what is better, get a 10 or 11 speed chain. At least now i can focus on procuring 2x10 speed shifters and not 2x11. Probably have to get some older Ultegra derailleurs that caters for 10 speed, but that`s fine by me. What`s all this resentment with gear displays? Had we been on about road bikes i would have understood, but this is to be a flat bar and indicators are perfectly normal on those. She has a triple on her current bike and 27 gears. She will however in the future have to make do with 20 gears. She can pick up a good pace so i am not getting her 46/36, but rather 50/34 and if at all possibru, a 34T cassette. I don`t know what Ultegra RD will tackle a 34T cassette, maybe just the newest mid cage one. For someone who has never did a flat bar conversion, i can safely say i am struggling with keeping control of everything that needs to be done and not at the same time screwing up bigtime :crazy:
 
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