Not a good day, but wont get fooled again.

[Ajax Bay]

@Smokin Joe said: ↑
"There is.

"Use a 28mm tyre and instead of an inner tube fit a 19 or 20mm tubular inside it. You are virtually guaranteed to make punctures a thing of the past and don't take my word for it, it's what Robert Millar used to do on his winter training bike. At the expense of a weight penalty he reckoned he could run the tyre till the canvas was showing through and never flatted."
@Billy Wizz
said: "What exactly do you mean by this.?"

Fit a 28mm 'normal' tyre (preferably one with robust sidewalls as well as a-p bands eg vectran etc), one bead on. Instead of an inner tube put a 19 or 20mm tubular tyre ('tub') in with the valve through the valve hole in the rim (!), push the second bead of the 28mm tyre on and inflate (in the normal way). Talc on tub tread and inside 28mm first. Will cost an extra ~170g with, say, Conti 4S but still way lighter than Schwalbe M+.

 

[Globalti]

What exactly do you mean by this.?

Putting a tubular inside a clincher is the battiest idea I've heard for ages; as batty as the ideas in Viz comic's Top Tips. Cycling is supposed to be about enjoyment and for me that means enjoying the beautiful bike I worked damned hard to buy and the comfort and grip of some decent tyres and tubes. As I wrote earrlier, if that means a couple of extra punctures a year, I'm happy.

I don't think latex tubes are any more puncture resistant than butyl; they are extremely delicate (my cat punctured one when she took a swipe at it) and stretchy to the point that they will seek out the smallest weakness and burst through a small hole that a butyl tube will bridge over. But they sound lovely, ride super-smooth and weigh less than butyl.

 

[night cycler]

What exactly do you mean by this.?

I didn’t grasp it too, but I`ve just read this wicki explanation-I did not know what a tubular was. It mentions gluing the tubular tyre to the rim?? How bizarre.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubular_tyre

 

[Vapin' Joe]

Putting a tubular inside a clincher is the battiest idea I've heard for ages; as batty as the ideas in Viz comic's Top Tips. Cycling is supposed to be about enjoyment and for me that means enjoying the beautiful bike I worked damned hard to buy and the comfort and grip of some decent tyres and tubes. As I wrote earrlier, if that means a couple of extra punctures a year, I'm happy.

Don't tell me, tell Robert Millar.

If you're prepared to put up with heavier wheels to avoid piddling about in the cold and wet changing a tube that's an effective way to do it.

 

[Racing roadkill]

I didn’t grasp it too, but I`ve just read this wicki explanation-I did not know what a tubular was. It mentions gluing the tubular tyre to the rim

Not quite. You'd have to be running tubeless type rims for this to be the case. I've tried this trick before, on a fixie I used to ride on some truly rubbish surfaces, in the winter. You essentially use the tubular tyre as a super inner tube, then slap a clincher tyre over the top, and use a clincher rim. It does work, but it feels very odd, until you get used to it.

 

[Billy Wizz]

Thanks for all the replies really interesting stuff but I think the only way foreward for me as far as the commute is concerned is Tannus solids it's the only thing that can possibly beat the shards of Flint on the London canal paths I just can't find a stockist for these tyres it's all on line.
I got a very peculiar look in Halfords this morning,buying more inner tubes, when I mentioned solid tyres
Does anyone know of a stockist for these solid tyres.

 

[Ajax Bay]

They can be bought online at thesolidtyre.com and the Tannus website lists retailers across the country, where they can also be fitted.

Nip nip and E1 both London.

 

[night cycler]

Thanks for all the replies really interesting stuff but I think the only way foreward for me as far as the commute is concerned is Tannus solids it's the only thing that can possibly beat the shards of Flint on the London canal paths I just can't find a stockist for these tyres it's all on line.
I got a very peculiar look in Halfords this morning,buying more inner tubes, when I mentioned solid tyres
Does anyone know of a stockist for these solid tyres.

London canal paths? I am assuming that you are riding a mountain bike on there Billy? Have you tried the proper mountain bike tyres?

 

[Cubist]

Putting a tubular inside a clincher is the battiest idea I've heard for ages; as batty as the ideas in Viz comic's Top Tips. Cycling is supposed to be about enjoyment and for me that means enjoying the beautiful bike I worked damned hard to buy and the comfort and grip of some decent tyres and tubes. As I wrote earrlier, if that means a couple of extra punctures a year, I'm happy.

I don't think latex tubes are any more puncture resistant than butyl; they are extremely delicate (my cat punctured one when she took a swipe at it) and stretchy to the point that they will seek out the smallest weakness and burst through a small hole that a butyl tube will bridge over. But they sound lovely, ride super-smooth and weigh less than butyl.

Procore.
http://www.schwalbe.com/gb/procore.html

 

[youngoldbloke]

Procore.
http://www.schwalbe.com/gb/procore.html

Very interesting, but how is that going to help? We still don't know what bike/tyres Billy Wizz is using, but I get the feeling its a hybrid with fairly standard tyres/tubes? Not tubeless.

 

[mickle]

I've not had a flat in seven years using Schwalbe tyres and with
inner tubes installed with Stan's No Tubes sealant.

Solid tyres are an abomination.

 

[Cubist]

Very interesting, but how is that going to help? We still don't know what bike/tyres Billy Wizz is using, but I get the feeling its a hybrid with fairly standard tyres/tubes? Not tubeless.

No idea, but I was simply showing that putting a tube inside a clincher is neither new, nor, in some opinions, batty. You'll note I was replying to GTi's posting.

 

[Billy Wizz]

Very interesting, but how is that going to help? We still don't know what bike/tyres Billy Wizz is using, but I get the feeling its a hybrid with fairly standard tyres/tubes? Not tubeless.

My commuter is a Specialized sirus a £450 bargain as far as build and quality goes, the only upgrade i have done is clarke brake blocks, mudguards that is it, i have specialized flak jackets on the rims and i cover around 30 miles a day, i have nearly been knocked off my bike on the roads of London too many times, i dont run reds i generally abide by the road law, so to feel safer on my commute i have 18 miles a day on a tow path, my commute is from Woolwich Arsenal, via the foot tunnel
up and down Silvertown way along to Bow then get on the towpath at Bow bridge then the tow path begins i continue to Pickets Lock where i pick up the roads again, in all fairness it is a good ride apart from some gritty bits where you do pick up a lot of Flint this i find is my main culprit since June of this year i have had 9 punctures on that tow path i have tried slime tubes slime belts
but they still happen.

My road bike is an Orbea Orca,Dura ace, Campi neutrons and all the carbon i have manged to fit on it over the last 8 years i would never dream of taking it on my commute, i am not a great mountain bike fan i was once tempted,maybe have a look in 2016.??
another bike in the garage to me would be gluttony, lol.

Have a great New Year everyone i will be out on the Orbea tommorow come rain or shine in North Wales.

 

[oldroadman]

We use lightweight Veloflex Corsas with latex inners and I don't reckon we get any more punctures than if we used a heavyweight tyre and butyl inner. I've just had my first in over 800 miles and that was on a recently-flooded lane, still wet and covered in grit and an almost worn-our rear tyre. Oh and I had realised twenty minutes earlier that I had forgotten my inflator, so a puncture was inevitable.

We cover our tyres and beads liberally with talc, the best natural lubricant for rubber so we only need tyre levers to remove the tyre and can push any tyre back on with our thumbs.

If I was commuting, yes, I would go for a thicker heavier tyre but for pure leisure riding I'm prepared to trade the light weight and the superb ride and grip of a quality race tyre for the increased possibility of a puncture.

Latex inner tubes, at the price of a daily quick pump up, superior ride and more flexible, less punctures.

 

[night cycler]

I understand your frustrations-9 punctures in 6 months. I hope you find a remedy that suits what you need. Enjoy your first ride of 2016 tomoz,