Now that the religious thread has slowed down can we talk about immigration

[Rapples]

Bizarrely that is exactly how I see your behavior here.

Likewise.

The difference is I'm asking you to clarify something you've said. You on the other hand have posted a deliberately ambiguous opinion that tries to discredit a point made as someone with a hidden agenda, yet won't actually say what you think that is. You are the one saying you've spotted someone skirting around what they really believe but won't say, so tell us what it is they are skirting around.

You don't like the analogy because it makes a valid point that doesn't support your view, so you just get personal.

 

[mrandmrspoves]

Oh in that case, I am truely sorry. I hadn't realised that that was you expressing yourself clearly.

How clearly can one express the fact that they have said what they wanted to say?

Let me repeat it for you more slowly and in big writing.

I HAVE SAID WHAT I WANTED TO SAY

........and


I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO RESPOND TO MY REQUEST FOR YOU TO LET ME KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU BELIEVE I WANTED TO SAY BUT DIDN'T SAY!



I hope that this is now clear enough for you - but once again I ask you to either put up or shut up.
If you choose not to put up - I will not bother to respond further to your comments as we could go round in circles all day while you avoid answering a simple challenge.

 

[Rapples]

Oh in that case, I am truely sorry. I hadn't realised that that was you expressing yourself clearly.

And you have the nerve to call me an arse and a troll

 

[mrandmrspoves]

For goodness sake how hard is it for you to understand two simple things

1) i think that you are hiding behind a twee analogy and avoiding expressing yourself clearly, so I asked you to do that.

2) I am not guessing what you want to say for you.

However as you have now made it clear that the analogy is as good as it is going to get, as I said I am very sorry.

I will take that as your apology.


In 1) above you still say that you think I am avoiding expressing what I want to say
In 2) above you state you are not guessing what I want to say for me.....

You are guessing what I want to say - you just haven't got the bottle to print on here what it is that you have guessed I want to say.

I invited you to do so on a number of occasions - you failed to do so. END OF.


To clarify for anyone else foolish enough to be influenced by Adrian's arrogance ......

I have already stated:

I hate racism.
I enjoy working with people who have immigrated to this country.

I have clearly implied - (but maybe not clearly enough for Adrian to comprehend) that I do believe that immigration should be controlled and that my reason for this is concern about lack of infrastructure etc. rather than a prejudice against the people who choose to come here.

I have not yet stated - but will do here for the sake of clarity, I loathe right wing extremism and I would classify UKIP in this category (the friendly face of the National Front - along with the BNP).

 

[Rapples]

Yeah because you are being a silly troll here looking to stir.

As I have said, and many others also. Whenever you disagree with someone, you just get personal.

 

[Fnaar]

There's only one way to settle this : GOOGLEFIGHT!!! (other googlefights are available)
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=mrandmrspoves&word2=clarion

 

[mrandmrspoves]

There's only one way to settle this : GOOGLEFIGHT!!! (other googlefights are available)
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=mrandmrspoves&word2=clarion

I don't think I was having a fight with Clarion......Adrian threatened to throw a punch - but when I turned round and looked at him he skulked away and resorted to name calling.

 

[Rapples]

With some people with form, yes most definitely I do.

What constitutes "form"?

Is it disagreeing with you a few times, or is it deeper than that? Maybe a prejudice against people with certain beliefs.

Loads of capacity yet. You are worrying about nothing.

That's an interesting opinion and one that contradicts mrandmrspoves. Do you have any evidence we can cope with a much larger population than the current one?

 

[mrandmrspoves]

In terms of "capacity" our roads are getting to a state beyond capacity as are our trains.
If you try to make a doctor's appointment - you will probably be told it will be in 2 weeks.
NHS hospitals are constantly " Running Hot" - because they run out of beds and patient's cannot be discharged because there is a lack of social care to meet their needs.
I previously mentioned that there are genuine concerns about our ability to supply enough gas to meet demand (as reported in yesterday's Independent)


Just a few more examples of where the current infrastructure is insufficient to meet present demand.

 

[Rapples]

You need to ask yourself that one.

This really is becoming a rather childish and over used "modus operandi" when ever anyone questions your opinion. Followed of course by the usual getting personal again and avoiding the question. One has to ask exactly what YOU have contributed to this thread other than snide digs and unpleasantness.

Where are we going to build these hospitals? City centres where the populations live and work are already overcrowded and building land in short supply. Norfolk on the other hand could fit loads of hospitals in, but the vast majority of the population would need to drive to them. Oh dear

 

[Rapples]

[QUOTE 2375592, member: 9609"]The more people the more efficient we become - think about it, if you had 10 people in every room you wouldn't need any heating:troll:[/quote]

You must have small rooms

 

[Rapples]

Well lets see, Adrian.

You posted this about a post from someone I happen to agree with

It is crap because it is a childish mechanism to avoid saying what you really want to say.

I asked what you meant by it, as to me, it seems just an inane statement trying to discredit the point. The best you've come up with so far, is you don't like analogies as a form of debate. Well sorry you don't get to make the rules.

Since then I've asked you to expand on some other opinions you've put forward in attempts to divert attention, but you fail to expand on those to.

So where are we going to build the hospitals? What about funding them?

Do you not think it would be more prudent to build enough to satisfy our current requirement first before allowing further uncontrolled immigration based on the fact you don't think there's anything to worry about?

 

[Rapples]

[QUOTE 2375650, member: 1314"]Scaremongering.[/quote]

Is it?

As you've pointed out Scotland is actively encouraging immigration. That's a form of control. There are other areas where the infrastructure is struggling, but these attract economic immigrants because of the perception of opportunity. Stifling debate by linking "control" with extremism is scaremongering

 

[Rapples]

Rapples, you seem to be the expert in 'snide digs and unpleasantness' here. I can't see any of that in the first response from Adrian to la famille poves' strange and simplistic ship analogy, which was a polite request for more information. And as far as I can see, la famille poves chose to ignore it, so he/she/they probably deserve whatever they get.

No, mrandmrpoves did expand, and got this response, and the one I questioned

It was still a pretty crap analogy.

It didn't take more than a minute to find

Perhaps if you paid more attention you might see I'm not quite the expert you give me credit for

 

[mrandmrspoves]

Rapples, you seem to be the expert in 'snide digs and unpleasantness' here. I can't see any of that in the first response from Adrian to la famille poves' strange and simplistic ship analogy, which was a polite request for more information. And as far as I can see, la famille poves chose to ignore it, so he/she/they probably deserve whatever they get.

Yes Tiny you have selected to quote a polite request from Adrian - but you have ignored my equally polite response to his request (#128) and then you suggest that I was ignoring his request, when actually it was Adrian that ignored mine.

To recap for you:
Adrian suggested I was "skirting round what I really wanted to say"
I made it clear that I had hung my colours to the mast and had nothing to add - and asked Adrian to expand and inform me of what it was he thought I wanted to say. Despite Adrian starting to get personal, I continued to politely request he justified his comments
I only got " Shouty" in response to his continued refusal to actually state what it was he was implying I was thinking.
Adrian never did justify his accusatory stance.