Now that the religious thread has slowed down can we talk about immigration

[Jefferson Meriwether]

This thread seems to be going round in circles; a bit like immigrants moving around from country to country

 

[mrandmrspoves]

And there you are assuming stuff. Exactly the same mistake that Rapples made and you followed earlearlier you both assumed that I had assumed something about you which would be amusingly ironic if it hadn't become quite so pathetically tedious.

Well Adrian , as you never responded to Rapples' or my request for you to divulge what it was you thought I was skirting round - I can only guess at what you had assumed. (but at least I have the decency to state what my assumption was and acknowledge that assumptions may be wrong!)
If you had just answered honestly when asked - we both could have saved a lot of typing...... but even now you choose to skirt round the issue of what the issue was that you thought I was skirting around!

 

[mrandmrspoves]

Because, and this is for the last time, I was asking you to clarify yourself not looking to make any assumptions about what you may or may not have been not saying.

To suggest that I was "skirting round what I actually meant" clearly indicates that you felt I had not stated something that I was thinking doesn't it? So why not be honest? I have been.

 

[mrandmrspoves]

That is exactly right, I did feel that you were not saying something, which is why I invited you to clarify it rather than jump to any conclusions. I have said that repeatedly and have at no point been dishonest about that at all. It later turned out that you in fact had nothing more to say and I accepted your word for that your analogy was the sum total of your thinking. At that point I apologised for assuming that there might have been more thinking that you could clarify. Unfortunately by that time both of you had long since stopped actually reading what was in front of you and were reduced to making accusations based on assumption. Your problem not mine.

If you read through it all again Adrian, you will find that that your account above is not actually correct - but you know what - lets just admit we're both stubborn gits and forget it. You think your account is right, I think my account is right and everybody else by this stage doesn't give a toss who was right. So lets move on.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

[QUOTE 2375624, member: 9609"]90watts per person, 10 per room, 8 rooms = 7.2kw. Some decent insulation and it would be quite cosy even today. Compaction is the future![/quote]
Compaction?

 

[Monsieur Remings]

My parents came to England in the 1960s and I've often been told to f'ck off back to where I came from.

Sheffield is about 70 miles up the road from me.

And this is the failure of those with a gripe concerning immigration. I'd say there's a fair chance we trampled all over the country of your ancestors Maz, before your parents came here..? Likewise, the most powerful nations on the planet have been BUILT on immigration, including our own.

On a more general note and to cut a long story short, immigration, strangely, also brings something to the country such people emigrate to, otherwise Australia and the USA wouldn't be full of white people.

Moving further on in history, Boston is considered the largest Irish town in the world, built and sustained by the Irish community that emigrated there in the 19th century. A quick glance at US history of the 19th century suggests the prevalence of a similar prejudice against immigrants, borne of people who had themselves only been there in terms of their blood for a couple of hundred years. Funny how history (and ignorance) repeats itself.

I'd love those with a problem with immigration to tell me what British is, if that's their gripe or if it's about plain old economics (as is always the case in dangerous times) why they think that immigrants are the problem when we have those in our own country who are fantastically rich and contribute nothing to the sum resources of the country?

The clue is redistribution...and explains everything from housing to the NHS, to benefits and beyond without the handy but false scapegoat that is immigration.

 

[Fab Foodie]

I only come on here for the willy waving*...

See you then on the 8th of June in that London.