Official Closest pass video

[col]

That's the thing tho, and Mag admits this, he had no impression that this driver was trying to get past until he made the move to overtake.

Would it not have been better if the driver had stayed back the few seconds until Mag passed the pinch point wherein he would have pulled over after the first parked car and waved thanks as the driver passed?

Admittedly there are plenty of cyclists/numpties/POB's I encounter, usually wearing headphones, who are utterly oblivious of the flow of traffic around them and do bring out this kind of reckless daring in motorists, but in this instance I don't feel Mags is being such an enormous obstacle to this driver.

Again i agree,we all know he isnt a big obstacle,but we also know how drivers react when held up with no apparent reason to them,and this looks like one of those times.If the pinch point was just off the exit of the rb i would agree with his line,but its too far away and he is too slow to warrant the obstruction.

 

[mr_hippo]

Yet another puerile offering from the forum's resident drama queen! Can someone show me where on the video where "My palm made full contact with the car window" happened? I did, however, see finger tips on an outstretched arm which may or may not have touched the car's windiw.

 

[4F]

In this case his position encouraged a dangerous pass,and it might have happened at the pinch point if he hadnt looked before moving out,which i doubt would be the case.
What,it seems some cyclists should accept is that we cant always claim a road and hold others up when there is no need to,it causes things like this to happen.Now a more considerate and safer way is to go secondary and let these vehicles pass before hitting the narrow.

Good point well put. With someone so close up my arse off the roundabout I would have taken a safe secondary out of the roundabout and then claimed primary before the pinchpoint.

We all know we have a right to the road without getting run down however whilst there are other idiots on the road like this taxi driver I would rather be safe at home rather than in a hospital bed knowing that I had a right to be in primary.

 

[magnatom]

Oh bejeezus! It's happened. I've attracted all the forum trolls at once! (ok a few are missing but they'll be here shortly!)

For the record, Lee, col and Mr Hippo, on every single occasion that they have ever posted on one of my threads have told me that I have done this wrong, done that wrong, etc. That is the only time that they ever post on my threads. I have never once had a comment like, good work Mag, or nice one mag or good point mag. Now I know not everyone agrees with me. Fair enough, but most reasoned people at least accept some of my arguments, agree that there are reasons for me doing this and that etc. However, there are those that only ever seem to be negative.

For example lee you harked on continuously for a number of threads about me not looking back. I ignored it for a while, and left you to it. Eventually I decided to answer your point and demonstrated that in fact over the period that you suggested that I had not looked over my shoulder once, I had in fact looked over my shoulder 3 times (over 7 seconds I think!). Did you accept that you were wrong? No. You just moved on to further negative discussion. That in my book is a troll.

As for col, all I'll say is have a look at the green wheelie bin and the threads he has posted there. You believe in conspiracies don't you col.

Mr Hippo. LOL! Drama queen! LOL! I challenge you to find one person on here who has met me in person and there are many to agree with you that I am a drama queen. (Ok ignore what Tete says as he just likes winding me up ). Dancing queen, perhaps, as I have been known to grace the odd dance floor in my time with my silky moves.

As for full palm on window, are you blind Mr Hippo. Look at the picture which maz posted. It is from the frame before the picture I show at the end of my video. You can just make out the shadow of my hand on the car window. Now look at the picture in my video. The shadow has disappeared. Why, because my hand is on the window. Also why do you think the car stopped? Did it maybe have something to do with my hand hitting his window perhaps?

 

[magnatom]

P.S

Are those that are suggesting that I held him up seriously suggesting that the 10 seconds that it took me to leave the roundabout and get to the pinch point, or the 16 seconds that it takes me from leaving the roundabout to get to a point in the road where a safe overtake could occur where excessive?

If you do then you must suffer from significant stress when driving with all the hold ups on the road. Might I suggest beta blockers...

 

[BentMikey]

I think you're a bit quick to dismiss Lee's posts, Mags. Sure, he's a bit in your face, but I think he does have a point if you look beyond that. Would it have cost you anything to slow a little, go secondary to let the car past, and negotiate back to primary? Lee (and I) aren't saying you had to do this, just that it would have been better karma. It was quite a long stretch of wideness from the roundabout, long enough.

Col and Hippo, yes, agreed totally with you.

 

[BentMikey]

p.s. If you'd been going faster, then I'd say no way to secondary, but at your medium pace it wouldn't have taken much to slow enough to let him past.

I also think you'd gain a lot from cycling lessons. I certainly did, it made me reassess my riding quite a lot.

 

[swee'pea99]

Thing is, Magnatom, you seem to have zero perception of how your behaviour looks from anyone's perspective other than your own.

You see 'a right to primary, like any other road user'; the driver behind you sees 'a selfish git who thinks he has some god-given right to hog the road'. You see '10 seconds here and 16 seconds there'; the mini-cab driver behind you sees an arrogant twat expecting everyone to go at his pace, and holding him up from making a living.

Spend your entire time on the road 'knowing my rights', and you're going to wind up a lot of people - and quite possibly wind up in hospital. No-one's saying that's right, but this is the real world.

Looking back over the last year or so, it seems to me that you have 10 altercations with other road-users for every one of mine - and I spend an hour a day on some of the busiest, most fraught roads in the country. Now why do you suppose that is?

And which of us, I wonder, is doing more to ease or inflame the tensions between cyclists and other road-users?

'significant stress'? Not me, mate. I'm mellow. Chill.

 

[magnatom]

I think you're a bit quick to dismiss Lee's posts, Mags. Sure, he's a bit in your face, but I think he does have a point if you look beyond that. Would it have cost you anything to slow a little, go secondary to let the car past, and negotiate back to primary? Lee (and I) aren't saying you had to do this, just that it would have been better karma. It was quite a long stretch of wideness from the roundabout, long enough.

Col and Hippo, yes, agreed totally with you.

I've mentioned this many times before. I didn't perceive a threat. I have cycled that junction 5 days a week for probably 2 years (didn't take that route at the start). I have never had a car or anything overtake me at that point in such a manner. I did have the incident further along the road with a white van, but my position stopped him passing where it would be most dangerous.
So I knew a car was behind me, thought I had closed the door and so had no reason (or so I thought) to go into an area that, due to the temperature being -3C at the time (I've looked it up) could have had black ice in it and had me off the bike no matter what speed I slowed down to(remember the thread where Lee suggested I should have spotted black ice?).

So I perceived no threat. I was wrong. There was some. It happens. I'm human (shocking I know).

Now I am not going to cycle in secondary on that road in general for reasons that I have mentioned many times in this thread, especially as I have had only 1 real problem in 2 years. Today I took a better primary, and had a car following. No problem. Car overtook 10 seconds later when safe and gave me plenty of room. It works, so long as I take a good primary. Some drivers might get irritated, that is their problem not mine, and that has only happened with one white van over the 2 years.

So what do you say Bentmikey, is 10 seconds till the pinch (remembering that I was cycling a bit slower that day due to the conditions so probably 8 seconds is closer to the norm) really a major hold up?

 

[magnatom]

Contrary to popular belief, I do not ride everywhere in primary. My videos tend to occur in trouble spots, i.e. areas where conflict occur on my commute. I know them well, as I have used this particular route for 2 years now. This is a possible trouble spot, and as I have just explained in my previous post, I have my reasons for taking primary at this point. On the road coming the other way I take a secondary position all the way along the road, and hold cars up as little as possible.

As for my 10 seconds here 16 seconds there, I am trying to justify what I did at that moment, to people who are throwing facts figures acusations etc at me. How else whould I defend my actions. Should I just say, I just did, and leave it at that. That would be easy. Instead I try to explain why I did what I did, remembering that I was making decisions within fractions of a second, not the couple of days we have now to look at the footage.

As for which of us is inflaming other road users, who knows. Personally I think it is the idiots who threaten to knock me down etc that are at fault and not me. You may disagree of course.

And as for chilling. Have a look at my use of smiles! For example ->

 

[magnatom]

This makes it even worse, you must of seen the cab driver. Did you not assess his speed and then look at the distance to the pinch point and think to yourself I may be holding someone up here I'll move across?

Even in primary the guy managed to overtake, which leads me to the point I made at the very start, if there was room to overtake you in primary (albeit a little closely) then there is ample room and width of the road to accomodate you in secondary and the cab driver passing you giving you room.

Read my previous posts lee. All the answers are there. That is why I consider you a troll. You ask questions which I have already answered and go around in circles, just to keep the argument going. You never move on.

 

[rnscotch]

Mag did you do something to lee in a previous life?...

 

[magnatom]

Yeah you was so chilled you decided to hit the side of his car.

That's three vids now in about 5 weeks? You still think you are chilled?

Umm err, a car passes within cms of me at speed. Mmm will it irritate me just a little bit...mmmm, that's a difficult one. Following my original rant was I chilled. Yes indeedy. That's what I am saying. Incidents can rattle me, and just about everone on the planet I would suggest (not you of course!), butI don't hold on to anger etc. Again, just ask anyone who has met me, am I the sort of person who needs chilling?

 

[magnatom]

Mag did you do something to lee in a previous life?...

I do wonder!

 

[magnatom]

Yeah you was so chilled you decided to hit the side of his car.

That's three vids now in about 5 weeks? You still think you are chilled?

Oh just to add, when I get a chance I will be putting up another video. It will be about a very poorly designed cycle lane that has just been painted by the local council. I think it is dangerous and needs removing. So it will be 4 videos in 5 weeks. I must be suffering terrible rage!