Official Closest pass video

[BentMikey]

Well we can't do much with the taxi driver, can we? At least discussing your riding might help you and/or us, because that's what we can access to change.

I don't think you *had* to go left, but I think I would have let the taxi driver past, and I would have slowed too. Had you done that, you would have been chuffed with yourself, and the taxi driver might even have had an approving thought (but still been a blunt). I'd only have stayed in primary there if I was significantly faster and/or there was more reason to than you had.

 

[Bollo]

Col.

You've got me thinking, and as someone who's read the nonsense I tend to spout after a heavy bout of thinking, you're probably regretting your actions already.

I think you're confusing two things. They sound a bit the same, so its understandable. The words are 'Civility' and 'Servility'. They're almost homophones, which itself is almost a homophone of homophobe. But I digress!

I am a big fan of civility. So much so that, when preparing for a ride through a particularly bucolic region, I will often swap my Giro Atmos for a Trilby, Homburg or some other head wear more becoming to an English gentleman. Why? Well, for one the effect of lycra and a pre-war chapeau is quite eye-catching and pushes the sartorial boundaries of cycling further than even Rapha have considered (yet!). Also, country folk, despite their love of chasing and killing one type of animal with another of animal while riding a third type of animal and their belief that red diesel should be supplied from a kitchen tap at the taxpayers' expense, tend to be considerate, civil road-users. Perhaps driving primarily on single track roads teaches them the benefits of give-and-take. So, to emphasise my appreciation of the consideration they usually show me on these roads, I will often augment a wave or 'thank-you' with a swift tip or lift of my dapper hat. I'm also perfectly happy to stop, pull-in or otherwise make way for other vehicles when it is safe, convenient and considerate to do so. My bidon is filled with the milk of human kindness. This is civility.

As someone who is a firm believer in égalité, I am not a fan of servility. It's an ugly human relationship that places one person above another based on control, convention or the abuse of power. A true story. Many years ago I was forced to meet Princess Anne. Now I'm a bit of a republican, so I was unhappy to be told I was expected to bow when introduced. What had she ever done for me? Why was she better than me? I couldn't get my head around it. Come the day, I was a bag of resentful nerves. I'm also naturally quite clumsy so, when it was time to submit, I didn't so much as bow as aim a headbutt in her general direction. I missed, which I'm quite glad about, because she looked like she could handle herself.

Now col, I put you on my ignore list a long time ago but, thanks to the many quotes that others have seen fit to include in their posts, I'm getting the jist of what you're on about. It's like listening to a football report on the World Service. Some might say that it's an improvement! So, to help you understand the difference between 'Civility' (a good thing) and 'Servility' (a bad thing and what you seem to advocate) I've knocked up a graphic. Perhaps you could laminate it and tape it to your handlebars...

 

[magnatom]

^^ Really what is the point

Back on topic, I have noticed that 5000 people have viewed this thread and seen as ths thread is about lane discipline and positioning I hope that it may make people think and look at their own riding.

Something we agree on! Although I would guess it will be 5000 views and not 5000 individual people!

 

[4F]

Bollo, I will have a pint of whatever you are on please

 

[boydj]

No problem, Dave. It was a nice afternoon and I finish early on a Thursday anyway. Just wish I'd fuelled up better - thank heaven for Erskine Hospital cafe. Maybe take you up on your offer one of these days.

For the record, I don't think 45 or 50 yards is too long to hold primary when you don't have someone close behind at the start of that stretch.

 

[Bollo]

Bollo, I will have a pint of whatever you are on please

A pint of vintage port for FFFF, bar-keep!

 

[gavintc]

I suppose that I am one of the lurkers on here. I am a little disappointed at the level of childish mud slinging and to be honest, I think the tone in here is not as friendly as it once was. I seem to lurk more and post less of late and find myself checking out bikeradar more than of late.

 

[Joseph]

Just to take the thread in a completely different direction:

The driver clearly decided to pull over, and had something he wanted to say.

From the video, I think mags got the first word in, and it was I think slightly confrontational.

There's a small chance (and I'm happy to accept that it's probably a very small chance) that the driver realised he was in the wrong and was ready to apologise (or at least check mags was ok), but then changed his mind when confronted, resulting in a negative situation.

Whether there's any here that could keep their cool in that situation is another matter. I'm known as level headed/calm and I'm not sure I'd manage it.

Maybe I've just too much of an optimist, and the driver just pulled over to shout at mags for daring to touch his car, not paying road tax, daring to ride in the road, etc...

I think I'll try and remember to cycle this way tomorrow out of curiosity...

 

[hackbike 666]

I tell you something, I am starting to understand what it must be like to be a murder suspect, considering the amount of scrutiny I am under at the moment! Of course I would suggest that I'm just a wit(t)ness and not the accused!

Not by me mate.

 

[Crackle]

Hey Maggers, can you buy one of those head up speedos that that downhill fella had in his vids, then we can advise you better on holding primary - 50 yards at 5mph is

 

[magnatom]

I suppose that I am one of the lurkers on here. I am a little disappointed at the level of childish mud slinging and to be honest, I think the tone in here is not as friendly as it once was. I seem to lurk more and post less of late and find myself checking out bikeradar more than of late.

I know how you feel, I felt that way a few weeks ago. However, there are enough good people on here (hopefully I'm included in that) to hang around for. I think forums go through phases, and I am sure things will settle down after a while.

Anyway, you need to hand around as I have set myself a challange to keep up with you on one of the future CC rides!

 

[magnatom]

Hey Maggers, can you buy one of those head up speedos that that downhill fella had in his vids, then we can advise you better on holding primary - 50 yards at 5mph is

Aye, aye, aye! The problem with those speedos is that they give you the urge to go faster and to take risks. That would ruin my reputation...... on second thoughts it would appear that I don't have much of a reputation to ruin!

 

[BentMikey]

I didn't think I was being unkind to magnatom - just friendly debate and constructive criticism, nothing more was intended.

 

[hackbike 666]

Aye, aye, aye! The problem with those speedos is that they give you the urge to go faster and to take risks. That would ruin my reputation...... on second thoughts it would appear that I don't have much of a reputation to ruin!

Poor mags.

 

[col]

Col.

You've got me thinking, and as someone who's read the nonsense I tend to spout after a heavy bout of thinking, you're probably regretting your actions already.

I think you're confusing two things. They sound a bit the same, so its understandable. The words are 'Civility' and 'Servility'. They're almost homophones, which itself is almost a homophone of homophobe. But I digress!

I am a big fan of civility. So much so that, when preparing for a ride through a particularly bucolic region, I will often swap my Giro Atmos for a Trilby, Homburg or some other head wear more becoming to an English gentleman. Why? Well, for one the effect of lycra and a pre-war chapeau is quite eye-catching and pushes the sartorial boundaries of cycling further than even Rapha have considered (yet!). Also, country folk, despite their love of chasing and killing one type of animal with another of animal while riding a third type of animal and their belief that red diesel should be supplied from a kitchen tap at the taxpayers' expense, tend to be considerate, civil road-users. Perhaps driving primarily on single track roads teaches them the benefits of give-and-take. So, to emphasise my appreciation of the consideration they usually show me on these roads, I will often augment a wave or 'thank-you' with a swift tip or lift of my dapper hat. I'm also perfectly happy to stop, pull-in or otherwise make way for other vehicles when it is safe, convenient and considerate to do so. My bidon is filled with the milk of human kindness. This is civility.

As someone who is a firm believer in égalité, I am not a fan of servility. It's an ugly human relationship that places one person above another based on control, convention or the abuse of power. A true story. Many years ago I was forced to meet Princess Anne. Now I'm a bit of a republican, so I was unhappy to be told I was expected to bow when introduced. What had she ever done for me? Why was she better than me? I couldn't get my head around it. Come the day, I was a bag of resentful nerves. I'm also naturally quite clumsy so, when it was time to submit, I didn't so much as bow as aim a headbutt in her general direction. I missed, which I'm quite glad about, because she looked like she could handle herself.

Now col, I put you on my ignore list a long time ago but, thanks to the many quotes that others have seen fit to include in their posts, I'm getting the jist of what you're on about. It's like listening to a football report on the World Service. Some might say that it's an improvement! So, to help you understand the difference between 'Civility' (a good thing) and 'Servility' (a bad thing and what you seem to advocate) I've knocked up a graphic. Perhaps you could laminate it and tape it to your handlebars...

Thats a great explanation,but why do you think i advocate servility?