On/off road/pavement cycling

[MrJamie]

Too many links to address right now, although I have looked through them. Interestingly the NCBI one says cycling has many more incidents per km than other forms of transport if i understand correctly, which would make sense given the relatively shorter journeys covered.

The CycleCraft document about Milton Keynes is an interesting one ive read a fair amount about. The vast majority of Redway incidents are at intersections with roads and occasionally bike vs bike at Redway intersections, virtually all of which are caused by people cycling like idiots. A number of times ive tried to safely catch up a commuter cyclist only to repeatedly lose distance when they dont bother braking to cross roads and I have to slow to ~5mph because i dont want to be one of your stats. Its also very easy to plot a route of mixed Redways and residential roads that involves a minimum of these junctions. The statistics imho only show a trend of people not cycling carefully enough when crossing roads. The difference being that cycling on the 60 and 70mph roads where people frequently drive 80-100mph especially in the evenings, takes the control out of your hands and is jut generally unpleasant.

It would be silly to choose between a particular cycle path and road option based on national or global statistics.

 

[Nihal]

Well,in case,theres no pavement.............no not the gutter

 

[MrJamie]

Well,in case,theres no pavement.............no not the gutter

I guess noone rides in the gutter in India

 

[snorri]

and you're willing to steamroller over anything to forward your outdated views

As you clearly wish to offend rather than discuss the issue, I think there is no point in me contibuting further to this thread.

 

[Nihal]

I guess noone rides in the gutter in India

Nah,nobody rides the gutter,but there are chances of falling into one,luckly i haven't.Ususlly if a bus attack me in the mrning i immediately switch to something i call an "inside "lane,a rocky non-asphalted area right next to the outer lane.Those MTB tyres are the only thing that keep me alive there

 

[Pat "5mph"]

Your response appears mired in 'cyclist inferiority' rhetoric. Firstly, I do not have 'exceptional bike riding skills'. I realize this is how many bike facility advocates choose to demonize road cycling advocates, but it doesn't wash with me. My average speed is 10mph - hardly an 'immodest' speed. As for 'antagonizing motorists', if they get 'antagonized by my lawful and careful use of the roadway, that is entirely their problem. As for 'perfectly good cycling facilities', if you're talking about bike paths and lanes, 'perfectly good' ones don't exist

Ok, don't wanna fight with you I said "in my area" there a good cycling facilities" can't speak for other areas.
10 mph is my average too: I'm akin to the street sweeping machine thingmy. As said thingmy, at peak times I have no business riding on a dual carriageway, cars, buses, vans fast allover the place. For my own safety. Given that parallel to the road there is a shared path I can use. Considering that I'll be the one squashed, beeped at, generally get stressed.
Street sweeping machine thingmy:

Edit: picture does not show, but you know what I mean ...

 

[Bobario]

Maybe because some of us do not have your exceptional bike riding skills? I know that if I was a driver on a dual carriage way at rush hour, with the "cycling me" poodling along at modest speed, I would certainly swear at myself
Why antagonize motorists if it's avoidable? There are perfectly good cycling facilities I can used in my area, might add a few minutes to my journey, so much more relaxing ride home when I'm tired from work.

I agree with Pat on this one, a couple of times I've been held up by cyclists holding the primary position when theres been no need for it. I often mutter to myself "I wouldnt ride in that position on this road". I try not to obstruct motorists wherever possible, hence the need to use the pavement and pedestrian crossings occasionally. I use the cycle path if there is one, and try to stay out of everybodys way. That way I dont get run over and the car drivers get an unobstructed lane to use. And a cycle lane need only be wide enough for two bikes to pass, maybe they ride bigger bikes in the states?

 

[Mugshot]

[QUOTE 1913811, member: 45"]Which of these say that the only safer way of getting around than cycling is on the bus??[/quote]
You'll have to shout louder than that User, you're on ignore, remember?

 

[Mugshot]

I'm not sure I quite understand it either, I'm sure it must make reading some threads very frustrating.

 

[Norm]

As you clearly wish to offend rather than discuss the issue, I think there is no point in me contibuting further to this thread.

I think that neatly summarises the thread, which seems to be going nowhere fast. Any chance that we could draw a line under the differences and move on?

 

[Mugshot]

I think that neatly summarises the thread, which seems to be going nowhere fast. Any chance that we could draw a line under the differences and move on?

Whilst we appear to have moved away from the op somewhat, I thought the thread was generally polite and was moving in a direction I found quite interesting, however, if this is the will of the council......

 

[Norm]

however, if this is the will of the council......

Not the council at all, just a comment from an outside observer.

It seemed to have got a bit circular, and many responses were based on preconceptions rather than responding to points which had been made and photos which had been posted.

I wouldn't want to stifle anything that was still generating interest but I do think that some of the individual responses were highlighting intransigence rather than a willingness to contribute positively.

 

[Mugshot]

Not the council at all, just a comment from an outside observer.

I know, sorry Norm, it was a movie quote

 

[Norm]

I was wondering if that was Star Wars or Star Trek, I think the former but I wasn't certain enough to comment.

As an aside (and here is a side-track which would probably warrant a thread of its own), I've never seen any of the Star Wars films. I've seen clips, obviously, but never more than about 15-20 minutes at a time.

 

[Mugshot]

I was wondering if that was Star Wars or Star Trek, I think the former but I wasn't certain enough to comment.

As an aside (and here is a side-track which would probably warrant a thread of its own), I've never seen any of the Star Wars films. I've seen clips, obviously, but never more than about 15-20 minutes at a time.

It's from Lord of the Rings (Fellowship of the Ring)
I think you're thinking of Princess Leia when she say to Han "I am NOT a committee!" Episode 5 (Geek mode off)

Never seen Star Wars?!