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fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
I'd agreed to buy one of those from a chap in Falmouth many years ago. Mrs BF, who'd come along with me to discuss, view etc later said I was being silly, so I backed out. We still don't talk about it.

She was wise. I've driven one on a track, and my god it was frightening. No assistance at all, and we weren't allowed to use first as it would just lose traction. Now, the GTR R34 was a hoot with all the computer gizmo's keeping me on the track - you could feel it adjusting everything.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
Location
The Urban Fringe
But what was astonishing 20 or 30 years ago in terms of performance or handling is upper spec family car stuff these days. The pace of progress has been nothing short of astonishing.
 

glasgowcyclist

Charming but somewhat feckless
Location
Scotland
I passed a striking looking car on the way home, a silver Morgan Aero 8 (2009 model). Not something I'd been aware of so I had to look it up. Here’s a photo of a different one as I was unable to stop to get a picture.

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It's got a 4.8L BMW V8 engine!
 

Jameshow

Guru
But what was astonishing 20 or 30 years ago in terms of performance or handling is upper spec family car stuff these days. The pace of progress has been nothing short of astonishing.

What they have gained in performance and handling they have lost in soul? And the fast and better handling they are the limits aren't reachable so the become dull?
 

srj10

Legendary Member
Location
greenock
Few more from Millport
 

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Drago

Legendary Member
Location
The Urban Fringe
The R34 was a weapon in its day, and didnt it like to show off about it? 20 inch wheels, aggressive looking front bumper and air dam, spoiler, air vents, bulging wings, big exhaust tips, a veritable greatest hits from the RippSpeed catalogue.

3 decades on Mrs D's family hatch is rather faster than a stock R34 (albeit artificially restricted to 112mph), more powerful (448 horses), gruntier (670NM), has computer controlled 4wd with torque vectoring etc, track-street-snow-off road driving modes, yet not a spoiler, vent or speed stripe in sight. You wouldn't take any notice if you walked past it in the street. It barely registers in my consciousness.

What was astonishing in the nineties barely counts as humdrum in this fast paced technical age.

Having said that, it has little soul. Im passionate about my whiteblock turbo'd T5 but the P8 is just a bit meh . Id argue the R34 was also too computerised for its own good and also was more white goods than a passion piece, but thats the price you had to pay in the 90s for giving Ferrari's a fright with only a middle management budget.

So yeah, things have moved on immeasurably but we've also lost something along the way. There was a point in the 90s where the electron started to tame the machine, only flash stuff at first but by the late 00's pretty much everything had succumbed. I liked the old days when pressing the throttle pulled a cable that moved a piece of metal in a carb or a TB, none of the dead feel of putting your foot on a pedal connected to a potentiometer and the various computers then taking a vote on whether to let you do what youre asking of them. Yes, performance boggles the mind, but its bland. I want my cars to have the character of a mercenary on crack, and not that of a quantity surveyor enjoying a spam sandwich packed lunch.
 
I passed a striking looking car on the way home, a silver Morgan Aero 8 (2009 model). Not something I'd been aware of so I had to look it up. Here’s a photo of a different one as I was unable to stop to get a picture.

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It's got a 4.8L BMW V8 engine!
I do like Morgans, & would love to have a good look at/drive in their 'LIFEcar' (the fuel-cell prototype)
Though, in a way, it does seem sacriligious that such an engine is used in a Plus8

The rear-windows open, for luggage loading, like a beetles wing (a centre hinge system)
 
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