Panaracer tyre & No Tubes kit - popping off the rim???

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Jonathan M

New Member
Location
Merseyside
Fitted a Joe's No Tube kit to my MTB last week, the rims are Mavic X317 on the front wheel, and the X717 on the rear. Tyres are Panaracer Fire XC Pro 2.1s front and rear, the only difference being the front tyre is a steel bead, the rear a kevlar bead.

Because the tyres were difficult to seal on the rim, as per the tip's on the No Tubes website I ran a couple of extra layers of insulating tape beneath the No Tube rim strip, and this seemed to do the job.

Yesterday the set up got it's baptism of fire, and a mate took me to Llandegla. Checked the tyre pressures were checked on setting off, the front needed a little top up, the rear had held pressure for >24 hours.

On the first section of the black run the rear tyre blew off the rim, but happened in a section that meant I was able to stop, re-seat the tyre, and with a CO2 blow it back up. Got going again, next section of the black run same thing happened. At this point the No Tubes rim strip was removed and a boggo inner tube fitted, which survived the rest of the day.

The front tyre was perfect all day, even being run at a slightly lower pressure than I'd usually use - same with the rear, I'd usually use a pressure around 40PSI, but I'd run the front to about 35PSI, and the rear to 38PSI.


So what are peoples thoughts about why the rear popped off? I'm wondering two things really, one is whether the kevlar bead is just to flexible, the second is whether the extra layers of rim tape beneath the No Tubes rim strip just meant that the beads on the tyre were failing to seat properly - I wasn't paying attention, but IIRC the tyre blew off on the same side of the rim on both occasions.
 

Steve Austin

The Marmalade Kid
Location
Mlehworld
Its not a tubeless tyre is it. normal tyres sometimes work, sometimes they don't. the walls are too flexy, so they will pop off the rim continuosuly.
The panaracer fire xc are the worlds loosest tyre as well. sop loose tyre with flexy walls will always pop off the rims.

You'll be needing some tubeless ready tyres (ust or similar) and with the time of year, bonty Mud X is worthy of a shout
 
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Jonathan M

New Member
Location
Merseyside
Steve Austin said:
Its not a tubeless tyre is it. normal tyres sometimes work, sometimes they don't. the walls are too flexy, so they will pop off the rim continuosuly.
The panaracer fire xc are the worlds loosest tyre as well. sop loose tyre with flexy walls will always pop off the rims.

You'll be needing some tubeless ready tyres (ust or similar) and with the time of year, bonty Mud X is worthy of a shout

Will UST tyres work with a no tubes kit on standard rims though?
 

maurice

Well-Known Member
Location
Surrey
Non-UST Panaracers are known for it when running tubeless.

I have 717's with stans kits in with UST 2.1" Panaracer Fire xc's and they're pretty solid.
 
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Jonathan M

New Member
Location
Merseyside
Sorry for delay in responding, thanks guys, the rear tyre could probably do with replacing anyway, so will go for either a steel bead or a UST tyre, and I'll see how that gets on.
 
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