Passing horses

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Milkfloat

An Peanut
Location
Midlands
Like others - as wide as possible and nice and slow. I make sure not to let the freehub make a noise and have called out a few times with cheery good morning and telling the rider how many riders coming through. I have never had a problem with any of the riders/horses I have encountered over the years and usually have time for a quick chat on the way through.
However, there have been numerous occasions where after doing all that a nobber in a car comes screaming through :cursing:
I would suggest that the infographic changes to move the cyclist in the respectful cycling over to the far side of the opposite lane. I would also (internally) suggest that the cyclist take a look at their left foot position, they could be causing themselves some knee damage.
 

ianrauk

Tattooed Beat Messiah
Location
Rides Ti2
What's the safest way to alert horse and rider?

I call out and speak. Don't use my bell, but I have no idea if that is best practice.
That's all I ever do.. and it works fine.
 
Location
London
I usually give a ting on the bell when I'm a fair distance behind so the rider, and horse, can hear that I'm approaching. It's not noisy enough at that distance to spook the horse but just make them aware of me. Slowing down and a wide pass, too, obviously..
this is what I do - a fair way back - ting and then immediately mute bell with hand. Then wait to see that they have heard/acknowledged me before going past wide. If I shouted from that distance i would have to shout pretty hard.
 
Longtime horse rider and owner here, all over the world; I come from a family of farriers so always at the 'sharp end' of horses.
Use a ding ding bell (never a horn) by all means, but primarily , if you can, use your voice.
'Cyclist coming up behind!' Keep talking as you pass if you like, or if it looks (or you feel) nervous. Hello nice horsey, you're a lovely colour, I'm just a bike passing you, not a big bad wolf and I don't want you for my dinner ... or sing, or whistle. If the rider appears to be ignoring you, it might well be because she (it's usually a she!) doesn't want the horse to think there's anything going on out of the usual by responding in any way. It can be a fine line between reassuring the horse that everything's OK and not raising its level of alertness to a higher level by acknowledging that something's going on ...
Horses recognise the human voice and are reassured by it when used in a normal tone, not startled by it in the same way they are by sudden 'mechanical' sounds. They can then identify the swift silent thing coming up on them fast from behind as not a leopard or a wolf wanting its dinner, but one of those fairly benign things that bring it food and pester it when it'd rather be pootling about in a field ...
They will certainly see you - or rather, your movement - from a good distance away, even when you are behind them (they have a rather unusual, to us, field of view) but unless they can identify you for what you are, they may well be afraid of you. They are - or at least can be - afraid of all sorts of things; some the rider or handler will be aware of and some they will not. This is merely in the nature of the horse, given that they are the ultimate prey animal with little-to-no defence against predators other than their constant state of alertness, speed and stamina; time, patience and a degree of skill and understanding in the handler, together with some changes through millennia of domestication and controlled breeding, means that most of their issues can be overcome, or at least papered over.

If you're approaching from the front, it's often a good idea just to stop and wait while the horse passes you; again if it appears nervous just talking any old nonsense can help. It's the speed and silence of a bike - combined with its often-unexpected appearance just where the predator would pounce to bring its prey down - that can induce panic in a horse.

No, we horse riders would prefer by far not to ride on the roads and we would avoid them if we could - not just because of traffic, but because of the damage the constant concussion on hard surfaces does to our horse's feet and legs. But it's impossible to avoid them entirely even in the areas best-provided with bridleways. Even where they exist, bridleways often come to dead ends on busy major trunk roads, with no conceivable safe way of crossing. Many other bridleways are blocked and it's not possible - as it might be with a bike - to lift a horse over a fence, carry it up steps and over a bridge or tip it low to creep under branches. Bridleways which have been 'adapted' as all-user paths may have barriers which are difficult to negotiate for horses and have often been surfaced similar to a road. These all-user paths then end at some random point and may either feed out onto a cycle-cum-footway - often impassible for horses and certainly illegal - or, as we all know too well, peter out with a few worn markings in paint on a dual carriageway or similar.
 

Ming the Merciless

There is no mercy
Photo Winner
Location
Inside my skull
“Strange bloke on strange bike. It’s only a human” is my usual refrain on the recumbent.
 
Police horses are another matter. Ring that bell, blast that horn and if you've got one, get the football rattle out! :rolleyes:
TBH all horses can benefit from some degree of a similar training. However it takes some level of 'understanding' and dedication to do it effectively; I've always done it with my horses and it can be great fun but you have to be very careful not to 'overload' the horse with stimuli and make things worse - they are all very different. Barring a traumatic incident in their early years, or any sensory impairment, though, all can learn to remain in a calm state in all normal, and a lot of abnormal, circumstances.
 

Sharky

Guru
Location
Kent
What's the safest way to alert horse and rider?

I call out and speak. Don't use my bell, but I have no idea if that is best practice.
That's what I do (don't have a bell anyway) and wait for the horse rider to acknowledge. Read somewhere that horses are used to people talking and won't get startled. A sudden bell or other noise could startle them. Or more likely startle the rider to try and make a sudden manouvre.

The other thing I do, when riding towards them is to cover up my flashing light. The latter is something that could startle horses.

But horse riders are not completely faultless. Have on a couple of occasions on very narrow Kent roads, met with a pair of horse riders riding side by side, taking the full width of the road. OK when on a long stretch of road and can be seen in the distance, but on a twisty Kent road, the horse and riders can be hidden from on coming cyclists. Avoided an accident both times, but I really tested my braking skills.
 

Alex321

Guru
Location
South Wales
Giving plenty of verbal warning is perfect. Bells can scare horses along with flashing lights which I was kindly advised about during one of my rides.
Yes. In poor light conditions, I normally have my lights on flashing, but I'll cover the front light with my hand when meeting an oncoming horse, or when passing one provided I can safely keep moving with enough gap while only having one hand properly on the handlebars. Can't do much about the rear light while in motion, unfortunately.
 
Yes. In poor light conditions, I normally have my lights on flashing, but I'll cover the front light with my hand when meeting an oncoming horse, or when passing one provided I can safely keep moving with enough gap while only having one hand properly on the handlebars. Can't do much about the rear light while in motion, unfortunately.
FWIW - and I've had horses all my life - flashing lights in and of themselves are of no concern whatever to horses. They may wish to swing their head around to get a better look, and of course the fast silent approach from behind of anything can and often does cause fear. If they have learnt to associate flashing lights with the sudden rush of a fast vehicle and the 'scary' noise of sirens, then their opinion of a flashing light will be one thing, but if they've learnt to associate a flashing light with the approach of a lifter carrying a circular bale to put in the field or yard feeder, they will have a very different opinion of it!

However, no-one in the situation you describe, other than the rider - and perhaps not even them - has any idea what the horse's response might be, so better safe than sorry, and thank you for your consideration.
 
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