Passing horses

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How do they do that - doesn't the famous horse's arse get in the way?
Their peripheral vision - especially when considering their ability to detect movement - is orders of magnitude better than ours. Eyes on the side of their head, rather than in front like ours, mean that although they have only a limited angle of binocular vision, they have a very great range of monocular vision - almost 360 deg.
It's usually estimated - with the head motionless - they have about 65 deg of binocular vision forwards (with a small blind spot immediately in front and close to the head) and about 145 deg of monocular vision on each side, which leaves a blind spot of about 5 deg immediately behind their tail. Of course that doesn't mean it sees everything clearly and knows what it is; at the outer reaches of the visual field, movement is what is detected most easily.
 
When I ride my recumbent trike if the horse is coming towards me I usually stop stand up and grab hold of the flag to stop it flapping And talk to the horse as it passing. I might not need to but as far as I’m concerned the horse’s hooves are too close to my head to chance it. If I come up on them the rear I call out to let them know I’m there and see what the rider wants. On a normal upright bike i normally start singing and talk to the horse as I near it and pass slowly.
I do strongly feel that all horses should be trained to accept umbrellas, flapping fabric, hand-held flags, newspapers and the like. It is something that is often omitted, or forgotten about, in their training and can lead to all sorts of further problems. When I was doing high-level endurance riding, having an extremely fit horse that had learnt from a young age to calmly accept all sorts of odd things around it was not only safer for everyone (especially me when I was exhausted!) but was often worth five or so heartbeats per minute in the post ride veterinary checks (on which a large number of points depended).
 
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Their peripheral vision - especially when considering their ability to detect movement - is orders of magnitude better than ours. Eyes on the side of their head, rather than in front like ours, mean that although they have only a limited angle of binocular vision, they have a very great range of monocular vision - almost 360 deg.
It's usually estimated - with the head motionless - they have about 65 deg of binocular vision forwards (with a small blind spot immediately in front and close to the head) and about 145 deg of monocular vision on each side, which leaves a blind spot of about 5 deg immediately behind their tail. Of course that doesn't mean it sees everything clearly and knows what it is; at the outer reaches of the visual field, movement is what is detected most easily.
thanks norah - anyways what I really like about horses and bikes is how when you stop by their fields to have a look, they very often almost always it seems stroll across for a mooch/connection/bit of intelligent conversation I fear they will usually be disappointed by. Not entirely sure why they do it. Hope their confidence is never misplaced.
 
Seriously the infographic is rather dangerous. 2m recommended???? That insane.

Whether narrow or wide, always call if you are behind and keeping talking. Horse have no issues with humans. Be prepared to stop at the slightest hint of uneasy movement by the horse.
 
thanks norah - anyways what I really like about horses and bikes is how when you stop by their fields to have a look, they very often almost always it seems stroll across for a mooch/connection/bit of intelligent conversation I fear they will usually be disappointed by. Not entirely sure why they do it. Hope their confidence is never misplaced.
Horses are sociable animals who tend - even those who've been captured from a feral or semi-feral state - to easily learn to be both friendly towards and familiar with humans. Sadly of course sometimes their confidence is misplaced; it is very easy to instill fear in a horse, either deliberately or inadvertently, which is just one reason why some are more wary than others. They are much better at reading our body language than most of us are at reading theirs, which if you think about it, is a disgrace really when what we pride ourselves on as humans is our level of understanding!
 
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Horses are sociable animals who tend - even those who've been captured from a feral or semi-feral state - to easily learn to be both friendly towards and familiar with humans. Sadly of course sometimes their confidence is misplaced; it is very easy to instill fear in a horse, either deliberately or inadvertently, which is just one reason why some are more wary than others. They are much better at reading our body language than most of us are at reading theirs, which if you think about it, is a disgrace really when what we pride ourselves on as humans is our level of understanding!
ta - so how do I/we instill bodylanguage wise confidence in a horse encountered and what is to be avoided?
entirely innocent question i stress - no intention of deceiving/entrapping a horse.

Maybe I have a natural affinity with the mysterious creatures - my ponderings on this theme come from an encounter with a couple of horses on a fairly recent ride to Lytham.

they wandered over but I was in a bit of a hurry so I felt a bit guilty at dragging them across a field.
 

nickyboy

Norven Mankey
What's the safest way to alert horse and rider?

I call out and speak. Don't use my bell, but I have no idea if that is best practice.
If I'm catching up a horse I will call out "cyclist" when I'm about 20m behind them. Then I slow down and go into the middle of the oncoming lane. If a car driver approaches me then I'll give a wave and drift back into my lane in front of the horse
Coming towards a horse traveling in opposite directions I just slow right down and get into the gutter as much as possible

Always give a friendly hello too
 

craigwend

Grimpeur des terrains plats
Lots of horses and stables near me, as everyone else slow down talk as you approach, talk as I'm passing e.g. 'on your right' - universally appreciated.
Only ever had one criticism, when on a rail Trail and children at that time in a trailer with flag on pole thingy (helpful on small twisty country road with hedges to be seen) , spooked the horse and the lady had a right go at me, though I just politely pointed out I had the same legal rights. Though did take into consideration when passing horses after.
 

Donger

Convoi Exceptionnel
Location
Quedgeley, Glos.
I once came round a sharp corner to find a horse and rider standing stationary in the road in front of me. Lucky my brakes worked, or I'd have repeated that rear-end-of-a-horse scene from Police Academy. Came perilously close to it.
 
ta - so how do I/we instill bodylanguage wise confidence in a horse encountered and what is to be avoided?
entirely innocent question i stress - no intention of deceiving/entrapping a horse.

Maybe I have a natural affinity with the mysterious creatures - my ponderings on this theme come from an encounter with a couple of horses on a fairly recent ride to Lytham.

they wandered over but I was in a bit of a hurry so I felt a bit guilty at dragging them across a field.

It was fine that you left them. For their health, horses need to move much more than most domesticated horses do - some of which necessary movement was achieved by their wandering over to you - and by leaving them you didn't disappoint them in any way, you merely confirmed that humans are totally harmless. It's likely that, unknowingly, you already have the relaxed, non-aggressive sort of posture that tells the horse you're not a threat, which is why they wandered over to you.
Horses are stoic - it protects them as a prey animal - and not very vocal about life in general, so we often think they are not very communicative but we couldn't be more wrong. From body language to facial expressions, they are actually very communicative. Just not in the ways we usually think of communication. They have a much greater ability to understand - and follow! - us through our body language than most of us have of theirs, or of our own. Phenomena like Clever Hans display this to perfection; Hans was responding to cues which his trainer did not know he was giving.

Of course all horses are different, but basically don't be loud and blustery, avoid fast sudden movements, but don't be silent and creep around them either; those are the ways that a predator will act.
Don't approach directly, staring at them with your shoulders back, striding out. Instead, half turn away, slump your shoulders a little, mutter a bit or sing, observe them closely - but out of the corner of your eye. If they are wary, watching you from a distance behind the gate, turn sideways to them or even turn your back on them - this will encourage them to approach. You might then feel hot breath on the back of your neck ...If that happens, please don't jump away in shock or shout when the whiskery muzzle touches you! That's just the way a horse finds out about something new or strange - by touching it with its muzzle. Turn your head slowly and speak quietly, acknowledging its presence. If it was that wary, it'll probably already have backed away, anyhow.
In a leaning-over-the-gate 'hello' situation where the horse is happy to approach you, many horses enjoy having their head or neck rubbed or stroked; being patted is not something they generally like as much - it's more of a learned acknowledgement for doing something. Many horses are not keen on their ears being handled but if they want to have behind their ears scratched, they're perfectly capable of making it clear by stretching out and tipping their head and neck towards you! Sometimes scratching them under the chin can elicit a 'flehmen' response, or if you have something smelling a bit odd on your hands (odd to the horse, that is - you might not even be aware of it). A normal horse rather enjoys close physical contact with others and with humans, of course they are so very much larger, stronger and heavier than us that injuries - fortunately usually of a minor sort - are almost inevitable when 'mixing it' around them. They will lean on you and rub against you and it's easy for them to push you over (but they rarely do). Push on them and they'll simply push back harder. For many years I rarely had a full set of intact toe-nails ... there's no issue for the horse if I step on its toe, but there's a big issue for me when (not if!) it steps on mine! But it was rarely more than a black toe-nail as they know they're stepping on something and remove that (often iron shod) hoof pretty fast!

My farrier grandfather and uncle both had something of the 'horse whisperer' type skill/ability, long before it was widely recognised and sought out; unknowingly I must have picked (inherited?) some of it up from them; I used to spend a lot of time at the smithy from being a tiny tot but there's another story in that.
 
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MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
Seriously the infographic is rather dangerous. 2m recommended???? That insane.

Whether narrow or wide, always call if you are behind and keeping talking. Horse have no issues with humans. Be prepared to stop at the slightest hint of uneasy movement by the horse.
Really...? What on earth do you keep talking about??

I don't shout 'cyclist' or whatever when I'm approaching a horse. I slow down early, go wide early and say 'ey up or 'ello as I pass. It's never spooked a horse.
 

Brandane

Legendary Member
I just pull in and let them past, and hope the rider keeps the horse well clear of me. Unless we're heading in opposite directions, of course. :smile:
 

Jenkins

Legendary Member
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Felixstowe
As with everybody else when overtaking - wide & slow with a clear good morning/afternoon type greeting to the rider as I approach and something to the effect of "would it be OK to pass on your right when you are ready/". Then while passing I'l normally do the thank you/nice day for it/ enjoy your ride conversation with the rider - but more for the horse's benefit so it knows there's a human on the strange machine passing it. I'll also keep an eye on the horse until I'm well past in case it does get spooked by me or something else so that I can stop or take avoidance action to get out of the way.

When coming in opposite directions I'll slow down and say hello, etc to the rider - again also for the horse's benefit.
 
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