People who pretend to like cyclists but really don't

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Julia9054

Guru
Location
Knaresborough
Woman at work. "Ooh, are you still cycling to work? Well done you, I do think you are good!" Which the descends into how nervous she feels driving anywhere near a cyclist as they are all so hard to see, unpredictable and wobbly, don't you know. And all in a sweet, simpering, gushy sort of voice that- apart from the actual words - makes you think she is being really nice.
I just hide when I see her coming now!
 

Lonestar

Veteran
Generally at work it's just anti-cycling bile,nothing else.

Road Tax RLJing and Insurance.Same old same old I just ignore now when they all start ganging up.

Not trying to justify anymore as they aren't interested in my opinion.
 
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gbb

Squire
Location
Peterborough
Perhaps I'm the exception...when I was cycling regularly...I can only remember one, yes one, negative comment about cycling / cyclists. There may have been a good few...oooh, I couldnt do what you do etc etc, but no general negativity.
 

theclaud

Openly Marxist
Location
Swansea
I am neither anti cyclist or pro cyclist. I am neither pro or anti car driver. I see idiots on bikes; I see idiots in cars. I see sensible cycling and sensible car driving. What I do see on this forum from certain posters is a denial that cyclists CAN be knobs as much as the next person. Perhaps the knob they saw in their car during the week goes out on his bike at the weekend - and behaves like a knob. A knob is a knob whatever they do.

I know these sort of statements are well-meaning, in a placatory sort of way, but I find it dismaying that such platitudes inevitably garner a bouquet of 'Likes'. It's demonstrably untrue that people will behave in the 'same' way irrespective of the environment, conditions, or modes of being or relating. And this is before we even get to the obvious point that, whatever one's temperament, it is impossible to behave in the 'same' way, let alone do a similar amount of damage, in an articulated lorry as on a skateboard; or on a motorway as opposed to a busy street where children are playing. Individuals are, of course, more or less considerate or empathetic or patient than one another, so it's possible to imagine a perfect storm of temperament, power, opportunity, incentive and social approbation that allows one person to harm another on the road, but temperament is only ever going to be one part of the mix. The tendency for drivers to seek opportunities to characterize cyclists as eccentric, reckless, or unruly is a social phenomenon, not some kind of pure expression of character without context. Cyclists are a treated in this way because they are perceived as a threat to the status and self-identification of drivers. The best response, in my view, is not to indulge them but to mirror their supposed incredulity and turn their anxieties back against them. We need to respond in ways that are unexpected, in order to unsettle the assumptions that underpin the interaction. My favourite example is @kimble's brilliant question for motorists in traffic jams on weekends and holidays: 'Are you doing this for charity?', and the obvious-but-still-effective classic is 'You're not stuck in traffic - you are traffic,' but I am cultivating a range of responses of this kind appropriate to various situations, not least because it is a productive way of channeling irritation or anger that would otherwise result in swearing.
 

Brandane

Legendary Member
Location
Costa Clyde
I know these sort of statements are well-meaning, in a placatory sort of way, but I find it dismaying that such platitudes inevitably garner a bouquet of 'Likes'. It's demonstrably untrue that people will behave in the 'same' way irrespective of the environment, conditions, or modes of being or relating. And this is before we even get to the obvious point that, whatever one's temperament, it is impossible to behave in the 'same' way, let alone do a similar amount of damage, in an articulated lorry as on a skateboard; or on a motorway as opposed to a busy street where children are playing. Individuals are, of course, more or less considerate or empathetic or patient than one another, so it's possible to imagine a perfect storm of temperament, power, opportunity, incentive and social approbation that allows one person to harm another on the road, but temperament is only ever going to be one part of the mix. The tendency for drivers to seek opportunities to characterize cyclists as eccentric, reckless, or unruly is a social phenomenon, not some kind of pure expression of character without context. Cyclists are a treated in this way because they are perceived as a threat to the status and self-identification of drivers. The best response, in my view, is not to indulge them but to mirror their supposed incredulity and turn their anxieties back against them. We need to respond in ways that are unexpected, in order to unsettle the assumptions that underpin the interaction. My favourite example is @kimble's brilliant question for motorists in traffic jams on weekends and holidays: 'Are you doing this for charity?', and the obvious-but-still-effective classic is 'You're not stuck in traffic - you are traffic,' but I am cultivating a range of responses of this kind appropriate to various situations, not least because it is a productive way of channeling irritation or anger that would otherwise result in swearing.
You over-analyse and complicate, and think about things waaaay too much!
I under-analyse and simplify.
You are probably right; mostly (within the confines of this post only :okay:).
I am guilty as charged. :blush:
 

xxDarkRiderxx

Veteran
Location
London, UK
All my friends hate me, and there cyclists lol.It's probably because when I'm driving and I see them I honk wave and cheer them on, but seriously I think most of my family and friends who do not cycle try to keep me off the subject because I go on about how lazy they are using there cars. Sorry to hark on about my illness (last mention promise) but after 12 Chemo cycles and two bone marrow transplants, recovering and doing 70k today I have no sympathy for lazy people.
 

Pat "5mph"

A kilogrammicaly challenged woman
Moderator
Location
Glasgow
I get a bit of "bloody cyclists" sometimes, not only from drivers but also from pedestrians with no driving license - "I was trying to cross the road, a cyclist went through the red light, they all do that, drivers do it, yeah, but rarely ..."
"Be careful tonight, Pat, it's windy, watch out for drivers like me that hate cyclists".
This last one was actually well meant!
Go figure, as long as nobody runs me over.
I myself am no innocent either: tonight I was thinking about a jogger "how stupid can you get, running when it's icy"
Well, I was riding, wasn't I? :laugh:
 

slowmotion

Quite dreadful
Location
lost somewhere
I've learned to be philosophical about it, because I don't want to spend my life arguing. I don't really care if people hate cyclists anymore. As long as they don't endanger me on the roads, they can hate me as much as they like. When colleagues try to give me the old "I'm not one of these people who hates cyclists, but...." I just go "Great. Good for you!"
Someone came up to me when I was propping my bike up to go into a shop.

"I really hate cyclists!"
" That's fine with me. Hate away."
[slight pause]
"You don't seem like a typical cyclist"
"Whatever..."

He wandered off looking slightly confused.
 
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