Petition for law change - Ebike Assist Limit

[Ming the Merciless]

If you go on the petition map you can see where all the speedsters live.

 

[jowwy]

If you go on the petition map you can see where all the speedsters live.

Assuming that all petition signers are speedsters and not adhering to current ebike laws and petitioning for a change......not all E bikers break the assist laws.

That is riding an assisted ebike with a cut off assist of 15.6mph, then using their pedal power to go above that speed to which the E bike laws within the UK allow. Hope this helps in clearing up the issue you had earlier around riding above the pedal assist limit.

 

[Smudge]

I think we have a pretty good bargain deal with how legislation is currently set on ebikes atm.
We can go wherever bicycles can go, dont have to pay tax & insurance or have an mot. Dont even have to wear a helmet if we dont want to.
From a motorcyclists pov, ebikes are real freedom.

Dont be greedy by wanting more, open your eyes to how good we have it.

 

[Venod]

sounds to me like someone wanting moped ability, with bicycle rules...…. I say that because they have dodged the question as to whether they would be happy to abide by moped rules. which is confusing when he says.... cars are not restricted, motorbikes are not restricted so why should ebikes be,..... if ebikes were to be de-restricted then surely they would be bound by the same rules.

Normal bicycles are not restricted (well only by the riders ability) and often exceed the speed of motorised vehicles, some people have advocated the same rules apply to cyclists as motor vehicles.

 

[dodgy]

Why should they......they are happy with their allowable limits

Seems like we are, also, given the responses in this thread.

 

[raleighnut]

Signed

 

[youngoldbloke]

Seems like we are, also, given the responses in this thread.

Just how many are ebike users though?

 

[dodgy]

Just how many are ebike users though?

You're not suggesting that only ebike users should have an opinion on this? My local (fantastic) paved offroad cycle path (NCN 568 across Burton Marsh and into Chester) is already starting to be used by ebike riders using derestricted bikes. Just last week i saw a guy on a Cube e-road bike, going way over 25mph whilst glass cranking and everyone was 'in his way' so it seemed.

All that will happen is if people don't get their way by having this new 20mph limit, they'll just adapt/hack their bikes to go beyond legal parameters. It's definitely already happening and it's a PITA.

 

[jowwy]

Seems like we are, also, given the responses in this thread.

Non ebikers yes........some and not all ebikers NO

 

[jowwy]

You're not suggesting that only ebike users should have an opinion on this? My local (fantastic) paved offroad cycle path (NCN 568 across Burton Marsh and into Chester) is already starting to be used by ebike riders using derestricted bikes. Just last week i saw a guy on a Cube e-road bike, going way over 25mph whilst glass cranking and everyone was 'in his way' so it seemed.

All that will happen is if people don't get their way by having this new 20mph limit, they'll just adapt/hack their bikes to go beyond legal parameters. It's definitely already happening and it's a PITA.

How do you know his bike was de-restricted?? And glass cranking as you put it, wouldn’t allow to ride at 25mph as some (not all Ebikes) provide zero assist at low cadence rates, therefore glass cranking does nothing.....or was he riding downhill and therefore was getting no assist at all as he was already over the 15.6mph assist limit

 

[youngoldbloke]

'glass cranking' - that's new to me.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Still no one has posted a valid reason as to why you should be able to use an e bike motor to reach 20 mph.

 

[jowwy]

'glass cranking' - that's new to me.

It’s what normal bikers call free wheeling as they have no requirement to pedal as they already going as fast as they require......most non ebikers assume that you don’t require any rider input to propel an ebike, they just go by the power of magic. They forget they are pedal assist and therefore have sensors within them to up or decrease assistance if no input via the cranks is sensed

 

[jowwy]

Still no one has posted a valid reason as to why you should be able to use an e bike motor to reach 20 mph.

Most ebikers want the restriction removed or increased to remove the feeling of the motor pulsing in and out and the unnatural feel of the ride, but ebike haters just think it so we can go faster and break the law. If I wanted to do that I could pay £100ish for a dongle and do it with ease and no one would even know. But as a law abiding citizen I look to ride within the legal limits of the current legislation and therefore ride my ebike with its current legal 15.6mph assist limit...

Hope this helps ease your anti ebike rhetoric and don’t class all ebike users as law breakers.

 

[PK99]

How do you know his bike was de-restricted?? And glass cranking as you put it, wouldn’t allow to ride at 25mph as some (not all Ebikes) provide zero assist at low cadence rates, therefore glass cranking does nothing.....or was he riding downhill and therefore was getting no assist at all as he was already over the 15.6mph assist limit

Way to many assumptions in your post to take it seriously to be honest

I see frigged (no pedalling required) e-bikes all the time. A particular local food delivery guy is a real menace.