Pet's soul....

[Andy in Sig]

Thank you Andy. We have been so bothered about it that neither can go to the loo in the dark. Sorry for the details.

Er ... is this going to lead to the purchase of a chamber pot?

 

[goo_mason]

Hey Crackle, I know. You wanted me to post the thread and I said I couldn't - there was a reason. Because I knew the piss takers would jump on.

It took me a bit of time to do it and then when I did - it's like a debate about religion.

Who cares? Cos I don't. I'm an atheist and couldn't give a stuff. It was supposed to be an experience, nothing to do with a so called god.

Good on you, Snapper. Ignore the idiots who're capitalising on someone else's hurt for a cheap laugh.

For what it's worth, I still occasionally hear the little bell of my late cat jingling along the hall every now and again, and have caught sight of her shape darting out the door towards the kitchen. At times I've thought it was my surviving cat going by, but when I look she'll still be sleeping on the sofa opposite me. My ex heard the jingling at the same time that I did, so there was either something going on or we had shared hallucinations.

Ghost / spirit / soul or my imagination ? Who knows. But I know what I've experienced, and it's every bit as real to me as those who claim that they can feel God / Jesus or whatever they happen to believe in.

 

[Riding in Circles]

That's eh...kind of what Christianity is?

I don't think so, It's about faith not a book, or faith in God, not faith in a book, the two are not synonymous.

Although not without question. It is right to question, reason, and search.

However, the Bible itself says that it is the very Word of God in its entirety.

A very useful bit to put in there by the council of Nicea after they had ripped loads of it out and thrown it away and no doubt changed a lot of the bits they had left, including writing all of Revelation as a new book. The church of Rome as a disparate part of the Orthodox movement even then was seeking control of christianity and saying that the bible could not be questioned or the questioner would be cursed was a good way of scaring people into obedience.

If you start dismissing bits you don't like then of what use is it? It's either the Word of God or it isn't. Who are we to cherry pick which parts of what God has said we will accept or reject. Are we to stand in judgment over God? Where then is your authority? Is He Lord of you or are you lord of yourself?

It says to seek God earnestly, if in your search you find missing bits of scripture what should you do? Pretend they don't exist, deny the command to be earnest?

 

[Andy in Sig]

So it's really a case of, "This is the word of the editorial commission".

 

[Andy in Sig]

I'm beginning to think that this thread explains a lot of the churches' attitudes. Snapper and a few others report experiences which they've actually had and nothing ever seems to happen as the churches or bible say it did/will, so they have to cook up doctrine to rule Snapper's and similar cases out of court.

My money's on Snapper.

 

[Crackle]

That's why I said it needed a re-write.

 

[PaulB]

Arrogant prick!

Whoooooo! Handbaaaaaag! You're rock behind that computer, aren't you lad?

 

[Dayvo]

Is that the defence of your insensitive and uncaring comments?

Gauntlet gladly picked up!

 

[PaulB]

Is that the defence of your insensitive and uncaring comments?

Gauntlet gladly picked up!

No, it's pointing out that once you resort to offensive and swearing insults, you've lost the argument. Like you could win with a childish and infantile belief in ghosts and animals having souls on your side anyway. Unless it was to curry favour with a lady? The gauntlet reference shows you up on that one. Either way, I've had enough of you and your objectionable defence of an unwinnable position so before I have to polute my mind with any more of your garbage, I'm off.

 

[Dayvo]

I'm off.

Permanently?

 

[Dayvo]

Unless it was to curry favour with a lady?

No, far from it. I don't like to see your 'bullying' tactics on someone who is suffering an emotional grieving!

 

[Dayvo]

Either way, I've had enough of you and your objectionable defence of an unwinnable position

So you can spout your bilge and not care about anyone, like the playground bully, but when someone confronts or challenges you, you don't like it! (that's the nearest appropriate hand gestureing smiley I could find!).

 

[buggi]

No-one's really taking the piss, snap!

It's just their narrow-mindedness of not being able to accept somebody else's opinion, unfortunately!

I do not believe in ghosts, I'm playing devils advocate but sympathise with people who still say they see their pets etc... as I say, I could swear I hear my recently deceased dogs from time to time. It is probably because I sometimes forget for a moment they are dead so I expect to hear them, my memory fills in the blanks. I think it is equally dangerous seeing a demon in every mirror and on every corner though.

Whoa!!! NO ONE has said that you didn't see or feel or experience something. just a debate has ensued on what that something is or could be.

if we are talking narrow mindedness... it just amazes me how many people are so willing to believe in the spiritual, but you mention God and there's a whole debate about whether he exists or not and uproar against anyone who dares to suggest he does. they're willing to believe anything but that, although most peoples beliefs of the spiritual are loosely based on the bible

whatever denomination of church you belong to, i am yet to find one that believes the ghosts of dead people roam the earth and haunt us, and doesn't believe they are "familiar spirits". maybe there is something in that.

am sorry for your loss snapper, i've lost a dog too and i know how much it hurts, but certainly no-one is taking the piss, just trying to provide you with some answers.

 

[WindyRob]

am sorry for your loss snapper, i've lost a dog too and i know how much it hurts, but certainly no-one is taking the piss, just trying to provide you with some answers.

+1 perhaps should have said that on an earlier post, mourning is mourning regardless of whether it was a human or animal; sorry snapper for your loss.

Windy

 

[Riding in Circles]

I EXPERIENCED it, I didn't THINK it.

Exactly, no one else has the experience to question it, never mind call foul, pets are not just things, they are family.