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I blame Traffic Droid. He's taken all the credibility away from sober, law-abiding cyclists.
Police or not...
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andyfraser
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Yes, it is.
mybike
Grumblin at Garmin on the Granny Gear
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The number of police officers has roughly doubled since the 19060s. However they are largely reactive these days and rarely patrol the streets as they once did.
Seems to be working then, as the numbers of crime has dropped. Or are people too scared to report it.
vickster
Squire
What did or didn't happen?
Give over, there youngsters they need more than one lesson before they learn. Even idiots can work out that they would/could do better next time. Remember he fell over and lost a couple of teeth so not like the OP punched them out.
Are these all full time, real Police Officers? Or do those figures include (as I suspect they might) "special" constables who are unpaid, get minimal training, work a few hours per month, and are basically used to bolster numbers?
Note that overtime these days is pretty much unheard of. In my early days in the Police, at weekends in my division it was routine for the backshift to work on until 3am, thus doubling the number of officers on the street from 10pm to 3am.. It was stopped during the 90's as a cost cutting measure.
Police Numbers
Police numbers continued to rise steadily over the last decade. In 2000 the total police officer strength was just over 124,000. Between 2001 and 2002 officer numbers reached record levels with a 3.1 per cent increase - the largest increase for 26 years. The 140,000 mark was reached in 2004. There were slight decreases and fluctuations in 2006/7, before the numbers picked up again in the latter half of 2008 and by September 2009 there were reported to be 144,833 police officers - an increase of 1.5 per cent on the previous year. However, due to budget cuts imposed by the Coalition government to tackle the deficit, police numbers have seen a reduction in recent times. There were 139,110 full-time equivalent (FTE) police officers in the 43 police forces of England and Wales as at 31 March 2011.
In addition the 43 police forces employ just under 16,000 police community support officers. Introduced in 2002 under the Police Reform Act, the number of PCSOs increased rapidly, from 6,214 in 2005 to a reported 16,814 by September 2009. March 2007 saw a 99 per cent increase on the previous year and a further 14.2 per cent rise in September 2007. This was said to reflect the commitment by forces to establish dedicated neighbourhood policing teams in each area by March 2008.The total number of PCSOs was 15,820 as at 31 March 2011, a decrease of 6.5 per cent on the previous year.
Police community support officers are paid officers, but they do not have the same powers as regular officers. Their role is to support the work of their local police force and "provide a visible and reassuring presence on the streets."
Special constables on the other hand are part-time volunteer (unpaid) officers who do have all the same powers as regular police officers. By September 2009, there were reported to be 14,516 specials employed in the 43 forces of England and Wales. There were 18,421 special constables as at 31 March 2011, 18.8 per cent more than the previous year.
Police numbers continued to rise steadily over the last decade. In 2000 the total police officer strength was just over 124,000. Between 2001 and 2002 officer numbers reached record levels with a 3.1 per cent increase - the largest increase for 26 years. The 140,000 mark was reached in 2004. There were slight decreases and fluctuations in 2006/7, before the numbers picked up again in the latter half of 2008 and by September 2009 there were reported to be 144,833 police officers - an increase of 1.5 per cent on the previous year. However, due to budget cuts imposed by the Coalition government to tackle the deficit, police numbers have seen a reduction in recent times. There were 139,110 full-time equivalent (FTE) police officers in the 43 police forces of England and Wales as at 31 March 2011.
In addition the 43 police forces employ just under 16,000 police community support officers. Introduced in 2002 under the Police Reform Act, the number of PCSOs increased rapidly, from 6,214 in 2005 to a reported 16,814 by September 2009. March 2007 saw a 99 per cent increase on the previous year and a further 14.2 per cent rise in September 2007. This was said to reflect the commitment by forces to establish dedicated neighbourhood policing teams in each area by March 2008.The total number of PCSOs was 15,820 as at 31 March 2011, a decrease of 6.5 per cent on the previous year.
Police community support officers are paid officers, but they do not have the same powers as regular officers. Their role is to support the work of their local police force and "provide a visible and reassuring presence on the streets."
Special constables on the other hand are part-time volunteer (unpaid) officers who do have all the same powers as regular police officers. By September 2009, there were reported to be 14,516 specials employed in the 43 forces of England and Wales. There were 18,421 special constables as at 31 March 2011, 18.8 per cent more than the previous year.
And are those 18421 counted in the total number of "Police Officers"?
I do not think they are, I did once ask the question to a civilian in the Police and he said not. I could be wrong.
subaqua
What’s the point
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- Leytonstone
Don't diss the specials. That is all
Cubist
Still wavin'
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No. Our force has shed mainly police staff from administration and backroom functions, by way of redundancy and natural wastage. Then a freeze on recruiting has shed a number of sworn officers, again through natural wastage. Two years ago I was one of three of my rank managing the custody function across two busy suites, with a capacity of 34 cells. Each suite had a custody officer and three detention officers as minimum staffing. We closed one and moved the function to a single site with two custody officers and four DOs as a minimum. I am the sole manager. We reach capacity twice every day and exceed it every weekend, so I also have to manage the logistics of overspill to other suites. Demand management is by way of alternative outcomes.... On street cautions, voluntary attendance and work with mental health professionals to keep the mentally ill out of our custody. A central immigration suite also reduces the burden created by immigration detainees. Young people and juveniles now need to pass very stringent vulnerability and risk assessments to be detained more than an hour or two, and very very rarely overnight. So, we're working harder and smarter to make the cuts work.
Just as well, because Kirklees now only has one Magistrates Court where it used to have two, and CPS help by driving up their discontinuance policies.
Out of the nick our cops are piloting handheld mobile data, using tablets to access force systems, creating and updating crime reports and using silent command and control functions. That way they don't have to go back in to write reports and update crimes, saving travelling time and remaining visible for longer.
Demand management across other functions? Our traffic cops now only attend injury collisions, and the departments are a quarter of what they used to be. Our firearms support teams now remain permanently equipped, and are deployed for priority crime patrols in districts, as well as being available to make arrest enquiries for outstanding suspects.
Priority crime teams remain just that, but have now expanded to include specially trained child and adult safeguarding officers, both for sexual offences and domestic violence, forced marriage and honour-based violence teams, and of course we have a good youth offending team with good links to antisocial behaviour teams, and dedicated missing persons officers trained and working alongside CSE experts.
Working with local authority licensing has reduced the public order burden caused by a flourishing nighttime economy, making licensees take responsibility for their premises and their customers. Integrated offender management works hard to reduce the crime caused through a lack of opportunity and substance dependency by supporting habitual offenders out of chaotic, criminogenic lifestyles. We have officers embedded in high-vulnerabilty schools and the university, supporting pupils and students.
But carry on and think we do bugger all if it makes you feel better.
Just as well, because Kirklees now only has one Magistrates Court where it used to have two, and CPS help by driving up their discontinuance policies.
Out of the nick our cops are piloting handheld mobile data, using tablets to access force systems, creating and updating crime reports and using silent command and control functions. That way they don't have to go back in to write reports and update crimes, saving travelling time and remaining visible for longer.
Demand management across other functions? Our traffic cops now only attend injury collisions, and the departments are a quarter of what they used to be. Our firearms support teams now remain permanently equipped, and are deployed for priority crime patrols in districts, as well as being available to make arrest enquiries for outstanding suspects.
Priority crime teams remain just that, but have now expanded to include specially trained child and adult safeguarding officers, both for sexual offences and domestic violence, forced marriage and honour-based violence teams, and of course we have a good youth offending team with good links to antisocial behaviour teams, and dedicated missing persons officers trained and working alongside CSE experts.
Working with local authority licensing has reduced the public order burden caused by a flourishing nighttime economy, making licensees take responsibility for their premises and their customers. Integrated offender management works hard to reduce the crime caused through a lack of opportunity and substance dependency by supporting habitual offenders out of chaotic, criminogenic lifestyles. We have officers embedded in high-vulnerabilty schools and the university, supporting pupils and students.
But carry on and think we do bugger all if it makes you feel better.
I never thought you lot did bugger all, I do did know of a few leg swingers in the force they are now retired at a very early age. In real terms how many fewer officers in the station compared with 5 years ago?
On the transport side of things money could certainly be saved in this area, I would imagine enough to pay the wages of at least another couple of officers.
On the transport side of things money could certainly be saved in this area, I would imagine enough to pay the wages of at least another couple of officers.
Cubist
Still wavin'
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Hard to quantify. We used to operate from a dozen or more stations of varying sizes, but as the greatest gains are to made in mobile response teams, we are reduced to two main sites and a couple of satellite operating centres (its an enormous district). Foot patrol for response teams is a wasteful indulgence, the visible onreassurance of foot patrol is provided by neighbourhood officers and partners.
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