Police pulling me over.........

[Electric_Andy]

Well, whatever the case I think it's unfair to stop anyone multiple times if they have proven they are compliant. That is what OP is asking about. I've never been stopped in my life, and I certainly wouldn't mind if I was stopped once a year even. But anything more than that a few times a year I'd want something done to prevent it.

 

[Dec66]

Young and black aren't interchangeable in that scenario though. As skin colour isn't really relevant to this discussion.

How many 17 year olds have the cash to buy and insure a Porsche? Seeing one driving it would arouse suspicion. Is it insured? Is it their parents car? Is it stolen? Are they super rich?

Please answer the question. Do you believe that NOBODY should be stopped if they are following road traffic laws?

How do you tell between a 17-year-old and a 21-year-old through a car window from 100 yards?

And to answer the question; yes, there has to be "reasonable suspicion of malfeasance". But, to me, riding a motorcycle of 125cc or less without L-plates, on its own, does not constitute "reasonable suspicion of malfeasance".

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Tell that to the OP.

How is "125 + No L plates = something likely wrong"?

Do you have some statistics to back up your assertion, perhaps?

Because the 125 is a motorcycle designed SPECIFICALLY for learners. When a vehicle designed primarily for LEARNERS is not displaying LEARNER plates. Then there's reasonable suspicion.

 

[Dec66]

Because the 125 is a motorcycle designed SPECIFICALLY for learners. When a vehicle designed primarily for LEARNERS is not displaying LEARNER plates. Then there's reasonable suspicion.

No, it isn't.

The limit used to be 250cc. There were still 50's, and 70's, and 90's, and 100's, and 125's.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

How do you tell between a 17-year-old and a 21-year-old through a car window from 100 yards?

And to answer the question; yes, there has to be "reasonable suspicion of malfeasance". But, to me, riding a motorcycle of 125cc or less without L-plates, on its own, does not constitute "reasonable suspicion of malfeasance".

That is surely down to the opinion of the officers. If 8/10 125s they stop without L-Plates has a learner rider. Then seeing one without L-Plates is a reasonable suspicion.

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

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[Dec66]

That is surely down to the opinion of the officers. If 8/10 125s they stop without L-Plates has a learner rider. Then seeing one without L-Plates is a reasonable suspicion.

And what evidence do you have to say that 8/10 125s they stop without L-plates is being ridden by a learner?

It could well be 8/10, or 9/10, or 99/100, the other way?

 

[PhilDawson8270]

No, it isn't.

The limit used to be 250cc. There were still 50's, and 70's, and 90's, and 100's, and 125's.

The limit hasn't been 250cc since 1983.

The current selection of 125cc are ALL sub 11kW to keep them learner legal. And is why the 250cc doesn't really exist any more in new form. But the recent introduction of new licenses have seen a rise in 300cc bikes pushing on the 35kW limit as there is now a customer base for them.

125s are produced specifically to be learner legal, it is one of their main selling points. Admittedly the VanVan isn't a typical wannabe power ranger kind of bike that attracts idiots. But it is still designed to be learner legal.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

And what evidence do you have to say that 8/10 125s they stop without L-plates is being ridden by a learner?

It could well be 8/10, or 9/10, or 99/100, the other way?

I have no evidence. I did say IF. It could be 8/10 aren't ridden by learners. But if that was the case that the majority are, then the suspicion is reasonable.

We will never know that statistic, the stop rate may differ from area to area too. So the Police may make different decisions based on their experiences.

 

[Dec66]

So, I can't ride a 125 after I pass my test?

Bollocks, I'd better get rid of my PX125 then.

 

[Dec66]

I have no evidence. I did say IF. It could be 8/10 aren't ridden by learners. But if that was the case that the majority are, then the suspicion is reasonable.

We will never know that statistic, the stop rate may differ from area to area too. So the Police may make different decisions based on their experiences.

And there's that word... "IF".

IF my auntie had bollocks, she'd be me uncle.

IF the OP's local plod just happened to be lazy nobbers after an easy collar to boost their stats, then he should expect to be pulled repeatedly.

Sadly, we have no way of knowing.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

So, I can't ride a 125 after I pass my test?

Bollocks, I'd better get rid of my PX125 then.

What made that assumption? You're going totally off on a tangent as that is something that clearly was not said.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

And there's that word... "IF".

IF my auntie had bollocks, she'd be me uncle.

IF the OP's local plod just happened to be lazy nobbers after an easy collar to boost their stats, then he should expect to be pulled repeatedly.

Sadly, we have no way of knowing.

I'd prefer they stop people if they're unsure and check. If stopping riders who are operating outside the terms of their license is an "easy collar" then good on them.

The more unlicensed road users caught, the better.

 

[Dec66]

What made that assumption? You're going totally off on a tangent as that is something that clearly was not said.

Because I'm fair game to get pulled apparently, for not having L-plates. Even though I never have been.

Maybe I should get a Harley.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Because I'm fair game to get pulled apparently, for not having L-plates. Even though I never have been.

Maybe I should get a Harley.

If you had a harley you wouldn't have much of a choice but be stopped. As they tend to struggle with the whole moving bit

How many times have you been stopped on your PX125?