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I hav`nt noticed any difference wherever I buy petrol, usually from Tesco 95 RON. Average mpg over the last year 52.4mpg. That is over 5400 miles in a 1.2 i20 Hyundai. Summer time it is better but rarely dips below 50mpg in winter. Years ago when I had a 1.6 Escort it was very particular what petrol it had. It would "pink" on Tesco petrol. I think it is fair to say that engines and fuel are a lot more refined these days.
 
Location
Wirral
Anyone remember the Shell? petrol that cooked 'hot hatch' engines? I want to break free soundtrack?
 

keithmac

Guru
You've completely lost me.

It's a method of improving the performance of an engine by injecting water (or mainly water methanol mixtures).

It uses the latent heat of evaporation to lower the charge temperature of turbocharged cars, lower temp/ denser charge/ more power!.

Turbo petrol cars are knock limited, the Research Octane Number (RON) of the fuel is very important to turbo cars, if you put a lower grade (95 vs 97) RON fuel in and the car was tuned to the edge you could destroy the engine due to detonation (the noise it produces is called Pinking/ Pinging).

Most modern cars have complex ECUs sampling the Knock Sensors (basically engine microphones) thousands of times a second, the have adaptive ignition and fuel strategies. If they see no knock they will advance timing, if they see excessive knock they will retard timing, older turbo cars are not as "intelligent".

Aquamist are a UK company who really invested a lot of time into the concept for cars (Water injection was orignally used for aeroplane engines to improve power AND reliability, the Harrier Jump Jet uses it when hovering, vertical landing and takeoff).

Aquamist supplied many rally teams until it was banned (very strange as the systems weren't really that expensive), they could push the engines a lot harder using Water Injection.

My GTO struggled to run over 12psi manifold pressure on UK fuel (97 ron). I could pull ignition timing but it feels "flat" and takes power away.

On Water Injection it could run 20psi with good ignition advance.

On my M20 petrox mixes (required fuel sytem redesign due to corrosive nature of Methanol) it has hit 30psi boost with good ignition advance and no knock.

It's really interesting to read all the early aeroplane experiments with water/ methanol injection, believe most of them were performed during the 2nd world war?. Worth a Google if you're technically inclined imho.
 

midlife

Guru
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MW_50

German planes also used nitrous oxide :smile:
 

NorthernDave

Never used Über Member
For our sins im sure there's a fair few of us cyclists who still own a car and was wondering do you use the more expensive premium fuels.
Personally i do, but only now and then.
I don't whether it's the placebo affect but do find it makes a difference. The old diesel clunker i have, will feel more smoother, quieter and a bit more lively after its been run through the system for a few miles. I've also noticed that my car will run noticeably rougher on Morrissons Fuel for some strange reason. I can't explain why this would be, as from what i believe all supermarket fuels are virtually all the same.
Before an mot is due i always pour a bottle of "Forte diesel injector" into the tank. Its like the "Special brew" version of Red Ex and swear by it.
Right or wrong in what i think, i would be very interested to see what you think and use.
All the best 👍

My old C3 HDi ran without issue on mainly Tesco diesel, but started running like a bag of spanners within 3 or 4 tankfuls of switching to using Morrisons.
Took it to the garage and they put some additive / cleaner in it and advised a tank of Shell Premium diesel - it was running fine within a couple of days and I haven't used Morrisons for fuel since.

Now I've got a petrol car, it's run almost exclusively on Sainsburys "ordinary" unleaded with no problems.

I can't wait for one of the electricity companies to introduce a "premium" electricity for use in cars...:whistle:
 

gbb

Legendary Member
Location
Peterborough
It's a method of improving the performance of an engine by injecting water (or mainly water methanol mixtures).

It uses the latent heat of evaporation to lower the charge temperature of turbocharged cars, lower temp/ denser charge/ more power!.

Turbo petrol cars are knock limited, the Research Octane Number (RON) of the fuel is very important to turbo cars, if you put a lower grade (95 vs 97) RON fuel in and the car was tuned to the edge you could destroy the engine due to detonation (the noise it produces is called Pinking/ Pinging).

Most modern cars have complex ECUs sampling the Knock Sensors (basically engine microphones) thousands of times a second, the have adaptive ignition and fuel strategies. If they see no knock they will advance timing, if they see excessive knock they will retard timing, older turbo cars are not as "intelligent".

Aquamist are a UK company who really invested a lot of time into the concept for cars (Water injection was orignally used for aeroplane engines to improve power AND reliability, the Harrier Jump Jet uses it when hovering, vertical landing and takeoff).

Aquamist supplied many rally teams until it was banned (very strange as the systems weren't really that expensive), they could push the engines a lot harder using Water Injection.

My GTO struggled to run over 12psi manifold pressure on UK fuel (97 ron). I could pull ignition timing but it feels "flat" and takes power away.

On Water Injection it could run 20psi with good ignition advance.

On my M20 petrox mixes (required fuel sytem redesign due to corrosive nature of Methanol) it has hit 30psi boost with good ignition advance and no knock.

It's really interesting to read all the early aeroplane experiments with water/ methanol injection, believe most of them were performed during the 2nd world war?. Worth a Google if you're technically inclined imho.
If it's the same style system, (water Injection) a former colleague ran a Saab 99 turbo beautiful car IMO, in the late 1970s, all sorts of tuning done to it plus water injection...the thing was an absolute beast, but a sleeper at the same time. Itd touch 100 mph in double quick time..at that time.
Downside was...it had so much done to it it became somewhat unreliable, but a real punch you into the seat car.
 

Jenkins

Legendary Member
Location
Felixstowe
I only use regular diesel, but only fill with Esso, not Morrisons own brand locally. My choice is helped by the Esso station being owned by the Co-Op and giving dividend points which pays out beer vouchers at the end of the year.
 

Jenkins

Legendary Member
Location
Felixstowe
So you have the tiger in the tank.
Only when it's on offer
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