Princess Diana's death

[theclaud]

If the cap fits...It's not a gender thing. I doubt many men like being referred to as a see you next tuesday, but I don't see that as a reason not to call them it if it's merited.

That's a word about women's bodies. Assuming you are a white person, I expect you wouldn't use a racial epithet to remonstrate with a black driver who close-passed you, so why is is OK misogynistic words when taking legitimate issue with the behaviour of a woman?

 

[Ian H]

I have no memory of what I was doing then. I do recall being irritated when the weekend event I'd entered was cancelled, and I had to find another at short notice.

Great piece from Hilary Mantel.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/26/the-princess-myth-hilary-mantel-on-diana

Mantel is perceptive as always. Reading her comments about un-bowdlerised, Grim(m) fairy tales, I presume she sees another in the making.

 

[Ian H]

That's a word about women's bodies. Assuming you are a white person, I expect you wouldn't use a racial epithet to remonstrate with a black driver who close-passed you, so why is is OK misogynistic words when taking legitimate issue with the behaviour of a woman?

The choice of epithet says a lot about the person using it.

 

[User169]

Stu on good form..


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1H913UqQ6w

 

[flake99please]

I was in Paris that weekend.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

If the cap fits...It's not a gender thing. I doubt many men like being referred to as a see you next tuesday, but I don't see that as a reason not to call them it if it's merited.

Keep digging.

 

[Firestorm]

I ran a boys football team in those days , we had a mornibg kick off and I heard the news on the car radio on the way.
The boys did a minutes silence before the kick off.
The day of the funeral we had training. I told the parents that the kids could train if they wanted to , but if anyone wanted to stay home it wasnt a problem. Only two failed to turn up.
Some bloke had a go at us for training whilst the funeral was going on , but we did stop for a minutes silence at 11

 

[Drago]

I was in Paris that weekend.

In a Fiat Uno hire car perchance, racing to get it back to Avis before they close...?

 

[smutchin]

Jan Garvey (I think) was incredibly defensive about the toxic cocktail of sentimentality and hostility that characterized the popular and media construction of the princess, and kept interrupting Smith and attributing things to her she had not said

That was most irritating but I'm glad Joan Smith didn't tolerate it and put Garvey in her place.

contributions from some younger women, neither of whom was asked very good questions

The bit that bothered me was when she asked the American woman why she was interested in Diana, the implication being that there was something strange about black girls being interested in princesses in the same way that many young white girls are. I'm sure she didn't mean it like that but it came across very badly.

Jane Garvey is far from the same calibre of interviewer as Jenni Murray.

 

[smutchin]

Although I can remember hearing the news of her death, I have no recollection of the funeral at all. I was probably at work, and given the time of year and the job I was doing at the time, very probably too consumed with that to be aware of much else going on in the world.

 

[slowmotion]

If you can't find the Granta article by Ian Jack, here's something in a similar vein about "grief-lite" that he wrote in The Guardian......
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/apr/16/featuresreviews.guardianreview14

 

[smutchin]

If you can't find the Granta article by Ian Jack, here's something in a similar vein about "grief-lite" that he wrote in The Guardian......
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/apr/16/featuresreviews.guardianreview14

Good piece, that. This line resonates with me:

"My resentment — a popular resentment, so far as I can tell — came from something else: an instruction from the media to have me see as hugely important something that I regarded only as reasonably interesting, and to feel something (sorrow, awe) that I didn't feel."

Although I didn't really feel resentment. I don't think I ever felt strongly enough about the whole business to feel resentful.

 

[GlasgowFinn]

Did we get a day off for the funeral? I can't remember.

 

[smutchin]

It was a Saturday, I think.

In that case, no wonder I don't remember it - I was probably asleep, recovering from yet another legendary Friday night.

 

[Ian H]

In that case, no wonder I don't remember it - I was probably asleep, recovering from yet another legendary Friday night.

Legendary yet forgotten?