Pussy, Putin and the right to be insult religion

Discussion in 'CycleChat Cafe' started by dellzeqq, 30 Jul 2012.

  1. dellzeqq

    dellzeqq pre-talced and mighty

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  2. rikki

    rikki Veteran

    I'm sure that Putin votes for some (one or more) very good laws.

    But I agree this is a bad thing. Be it blasphemy or insulting, it must not be made a criminal offence.
     
  3. I remember Fred Flintstone had trouble when he tried 'putin out the cat'...
    That's an awful story - and the blogger who faces five years in, for speculating that the rigged elections were rigged...Never mind, let's buy some more houses in London and everything will be ok. Also, I can't visualise Georgy Osborniev cutting the same jib as 'Vlad the Imprisoner' when he bares all for the press call.
     
  4. GrumpyGregry

    GrumpyGregry Here for rides.

    "Punk Prayer" Lyrics:

    (Chorus)
    St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
    Drive away! Drive away Putin!
    (end chorus)
    Black robe, golden epaulettes
    All parishioners are crawling and bowing
    The ghost of freedom is in heaven
    Gay pride sent to Siberia in chains
    The head of the KGB is their chief saint
    Leads protesters to prison under escort
    In order not to offend the Holy
    Women have to give birth and to love
    Holy shoot, shoot, Lord's shoot!
    Holy shoot, shoot, Lord's shoot!
    (Chorus)
    St. Maria, Virgin, become a feminist
    Become a feminist, Become a feminist
    (end chorus)
    Church praises the rotten dictators
    The cross-bearer procession of black limousines
    In school you are going to meet with a teacher-preacher
    Go to class - bring him money!
    Patriarch Gundyaev believes in Putin
    Bitch, you better believed in God
    Belt of the Virgin is no substitute for mass-meetings
    In protest of our Ever-Virgin Mary!
    (Chorus)
    St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
    Drive away! Drive away Putin!
    (end chorus)

    As one of our resident "Virgin Mary Worshipping" God botherers I say no blasphemy present, and more power to their protesting elbows.
     
  5. srw

    srw It's a bit more complicated than that...

    I'm glad to see that even right-on rock can't construct a decent lyric. Maybe it's more convincing in Russian, but somehow I doubt it.
     
  6. MissTillyFlop

    MissTillyFlop Evil communist dictator, lover of gerbils & Pope.

    Although the lyrics to their song are somewhat criminally bad, this is terrifying.
     
  7. srw

    srw It's a bit more complicated than that...

    More seriously - could it happen here? Unlikely, I think - the Church of England has a built-in centralising stability mechanism in the shape of the General Synod. If it can't even get its act together to approve modernising moves that 70% of its members are in favour of, it's not going to become an anti-free-speech dictatoriat.

    (But plenty of modern hymns worship songs have lyrics just as dire, and I'd be delighted if some of the people who inflicted them on the world were locked away pour encourager les autres.)
     
  8. MissTillyFlop

    MissTillyFlop Evil communist dictator, lover of gerbils & Pope.

    This is true - there were some pretty cringy hymns at my school and church.

    I don't think it would happen here, because in recent years, governments have been distancing themselves from the church and would certainly not look to them for reinforcement.
     
  9. OP
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    dellzeqq

    dellzeqq pre-talced and mighty

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    well............we are assailed by calls to extend the offence of blasphemy to religions other than Christianity - and one can see the force in the arguments. But..........writing this poem got James Kirkup a stretch, and the poem is still banned in the UK (the link is to a US server)

    http://www.annoy.com/history/doc.html?DocumentID=100045
     
  10. Boris Bajic

    Boris Bajic Guest

    If you want a laugh, watch French TV newscasters talk about Putin.

    But Osbourne a new Putin? His type are out there, but Osbourne is not one such.

    He is ineffectual, weak and without a compass of any discernible variety, but he is no Putin.
     
  11. Peter Armstrong

    Peter Armstrong Über Member

    I just wish Religion was never made up in the first place, the world would be a better place.
     
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  12. MissTillyFlop

    MissTillyFlop Evil communist dictator, lover of gerbils & Pope.

    Hmm, I can kind of see why a poem about necrophillia is banned.

    But on the other hand, I suppose if you can freely buy books by the Marquis De Sade, then I don't see how this is any worse.
     
  13. srw

    srw It's a bit more complicated than that...

    A suspended stretch*, quashed on appeal - if wikipedia is correct (and it usually is on things like this).

    And that was 35 years ago. A lot has happened in those 35 years.

    *I realise that in the context that might be considered in somewhat bad taste...
     
  14. srw

    srw It's a bit more complicated than that...

    Sorry sunshine - I'm afraid you're going to have to learn to live with the fact that it exists. And is absolutely fascinating.
     
  15. OP
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    dellzeqq

    dellzeqq pre-talced and mighty

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    the poem is still banned.....I'm sure that if you quoted it on CC you'd not be hauled off to the pokey, but you take my point. Laws are sometimes used in ways that those asking for them cannot imagine
     
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