A number of countries have moved in this direction in recent years for DV cases if the responding officers have seen evidence of it. The repeat nature of DVs where the offending partner knows that it will not be followed thru in the past, the victim being dependent, fear etc are probably factors in the change in direction. So no fault of CPS as they cannot be seen to be selective. Seen enough in my neighbourhood during my formative years to understand the change.
Reality TV claims another victim. RIP Caroline Flack
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A number of countries have moved in this direction in recent years for DV cases if the responding officers have seen evidence of it. The repeat nature of DVs where the offending partner knows that it will not be followed thru in the past, the victim being dependent, fear etc are probably factors in the change in direction. So no fault of CPS as they cannot be seen to be selective. Seen enough in my neighbourhood during my formative years to understand the change.
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It will leak back surely?
I'd be interested to see it.
As a piece of evidence on the sun.
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Beebo
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It’s been well reported.
it was about a valentines card which contained a joke along the lines of “I’ll f***ing lamp you”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....own-article-about-caroline-flack-from-website
I'll post it later under a spoiler when back from a meeting and near a computer.
My point here is quite limited. It is that Christmas, Valentine's Day and possibly other dates will have been obviously particularly difficult days away from Flack's partner and posting that story on Valentine's Day was unbelievably stupid and shocking. That the card was apparently on sale may also have been a factor.
The disagreement is on the first half of the article, photo at the top, some think relatively tame coverage and then lower down goes back to the gory details. Others see it differently. Also what is someone going to see and pay attention to? The photo.
EDIT: Ah beebo posted it. The image also may have made fun of that the defendent was nude/naked which was described above by another poster about the impact that might have in terms of court proceedings.
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Pale Rider
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Again, we need to be careful about shooting the messenger.
The story was about a card produced for sale by an artist called Samuel Hague.
It appears he specialises in crudely humorous cards, hence his quote that he had 'joked about far worse'.
The card has been removed from his website, but there are other examples still on sale, some of which contain naughty language and crude cartoons.
The Sun didn't have to do a story on the card, but it's the same argument about whether they should report her friends' and lawyers' rather off beam claims the CPS played a part in her death.
Some might think a card of that nature should not be sold, and it seems certain the coverage from the Sun was responsible for it being withdrawn.
https://samuelhague.com/collections/valentines-day-cards?page=1
https://web.archive.org/web/2020021...6/caroline-flack-valentines-day-card-assault/
The story was about a card produced for sale by an artist called Samuel Hague.
It appears he specialises in crudely humorous cards, hence his quote that he had 'joked about far worse'.
The card has been removed from his website, but there are other examples still on sale, some of which contain naughty language and crude cartoons.
The Sun didn't have to do a story on the card, but it's the same argument about whether they should report her friends' and lawyers' rather off beam claims the CPS played a part in her death.
Some might think a card of that nature should not be sold, and it seems certain the coverage from the Sun was responsible for it being withdrawn.
https://samuelhague.com/collections/valentines-day-cards?page=1
https://web.archive.org/web/2020021...6/caroline-flack-valentines-day-card-assault/
BoldonLad
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On the basis of "no such thing as bad publicity" excellent (free) advertising for Samuel Hague. Before this, I (and no doubt thousands of others) had never heard of him. We have now.
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Pale Rider
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Ms Flack's family has released a previously unpublished instagram post in which she speaks of losing her job, home, and life.
Something of an over reaction to a prosecution for a minor offence.
The court penalty might have been a toothless community order, a fine, and maybe a few community hours.
I cannot see that ending her career.
Yes, there would have been lots of publicity, but the courts operate in public.
No doubt she regretted acting as she did, but the blunt moral of that is if you don't want to appear in court, don't banjo someone with a table lamp.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51557180
Something of an over reaction to a prosecution for a minor offence.
The court penalty might have been a toothless community order, a fine, and maybe a few community hours.
I cannot see that ending her career.
Yes, there would have been lots of publicity, but the courts operate in public.
No doubt she regretted acting as she did, but the blunt moral of that is if you don't want to appear in court, don't banjo someone with a table lamp.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51557180
BoldonLad
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The media, including the BBC, should immediately cease reporting on "Celebrities", to avoid putting undue "media pressure" on them, but, then, of course, they wouldn't be "Celebrities".
If ever there was a win win situation, this surely would be it ?
MontyVeda
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Considering she took her own life... I wouldn't consider it an over reaction in the least. What an odd thing to say PR.
Pale Rider
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The instagtram post was an over reaction because the situation, while unfortunate for her, was retrievable.
Apart from her claim she was innocent - had that gone in her favour she would have had a not guilty verdict to trumpet.
I grasp she was not keen on the court process, but it's not as if she was facing a significant stretch, or any stretch at all.
MontyVeda
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I get the feeling it was more about the media coverage of the case she wasn't keen on, rather than the outcome of the case.
Pale Rider
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Could be, but there are ways to lessen the impact.
If she pleaded guilty - also securing a big discount on sentence - the prosecutor would only open the case as a verbal summary.
They will have been uneasy about showing the footage anyway, bearing in mind she is naked in it, and neither would any evidence be called.
That includes her, which also means she cannot be cross-examined.
If she still insisted on pleading not guilty, her lawyers could reasonably ask for the footage to be played 'in chambers' - to the magistrates only.
No chance the CPS would release the video to the press, even if it was played, although the three nines call would likely be released.
All this is fairly basic court tactics, so I would like to think her lawyers will have advised her on that basis.
When I saw her leaving court, obviously ashen faced from the experience, I was saying to my television: 'Damage limitation, Caroline, cough the job and put it to bed as efficiently as possible.'
Yellow Fang
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I suppose she might have got 240 hours community sentence if it was a first offence. I was prosecuted for assault once and the stress of waiting for the trial was worse than the punishment, although I don't know if it would have been worse than gaol. It takes months for cases to get to trial. That is plenty of time to worry about losing your career, your home, the good opinion of anyone who knows you.
Drago
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Indeed, a caution for assaulting a police officer (and you have to make a full admission to be eligible for a caution) didn't do Cheryl Cole's career any harm.
All good things that should be considered before assaulting someone, not after. Fortunately, I'm sure you were found not guilty.
