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You are right. We need to have a big line of people punching these refugees in the face. Maybe then they're learn and stay there. Obviously not near those IS lot or our bombs. I reckon that nice safe part of Syria.

You are of course free to voice this as a solution

However you have (as with the other petitions) missed the point.

You can only punch them in the face when they have arrived

How does your solution address the issue of this child drowning whilst trying to get to your face-punching point?
 

Accy cyclist

Legendary Member
[QUOTE 3891114, member: 45"]Why are they sleeping rough?[/QUOTE]


Probably because if you're a single person without any dependents you are put to the bottom of the social housing waiting list. Also quite a few will have mental health problems as a result of their experiences.
 
OMG

I have suggested a Tory Party Policy!


Looks like the Government is going to take my advice and take refugees direct from the refugee camps and hence make the dangerous sea journeys unnecessary

I still however retain reservations that this will stop the sea journeys for those who have not been selected
 
You are of course free to voice this as a solution

However you have (as with the other petitions) missed the point.

You can only punch them in the face when they have arrived

How does your solution address the issue of this child drowning whilst trying to get to your face-punching point?
Read my earlier post which r plains it quite ckealy. It is helping people who are desperate enough to make the journey.
 
[QUOTE 3891141, member: 259"]We had a neighbour, a lovely old lady, who was allowed into the UK in 1939. Her town was liberated in 1945, but by then all her cousins had died in concentration camps or been shot and dumped in mass graves.[/QUOTE]

I have made reference to some of the issues of returning refugees to their country of origin elsewhere

Basically there is an "aim" to return the refugees to their home country when it is stabilised.

It has been done in Afghanistan, but can cause issues. In Somalia an influx of half a million was a real cause of concern for the fledgling government and its fragile finances.

Each case would need to be established and dealt with as a separate issue
 
Whereas we could save all their lives by making the journey unnecessary?
That assume their life is not on danger where they came from. Many of the refugees talk of family members being killed and then fleeing with their life. The journey is a greater chance of survival than stayibg put.
 

Saluki

World class procrastinator
[QUOTE 3891141, member: 259"]We had a neighbour, a lovely old lady, who was allowed into the UK in 1939. Her town was liberated in 1945, but by then all her cousins had died in concentration camps or been shot and dumped in mass graves.[/QUOTE]
Same for my biological father. Not met him but my biological mother told me, as did the adoption paperwork.
 
That assume their life is not on danger where they came from. Many of the refugees talk of family members being killed and then fleeing with their life. The journey is a greater chance of survival than stayibg put.

Which still validates the point that removing the need for the journey is the safest option

Your assumption is that the dangerous journey needs to be made.... My stance is that it isn't

The assumption is that the refugees do NOT need to get to the point where they can receive help and support by a dangerous journey if the help and support is already there on the ground.
 
Which still validates the point that removing the need for the journey is the safest option

Your assumption is that the dangerous journey needs to be made.... My stance is that it isn't

The assumption is that the refugees do NOT need to get to the point where they can receive help and support by a dangerous journey if the help and support is already there on the ground.
Of course removing the need is the best option. However that won't happen this decade. It certainly isn't helping now for those making the journey. Hence people offering to help.
 
Of course removing the need is the best option. However that won't happen this decade. It certainly isn't helping now for those making the journey. Hence people offering to help.

Again the point is missed

None of these petitions or increasing quotas or offering to help will help those dying whilst making this journey

As for nothing happening in the next decade....

The latest from the Government suggests that they intend to do exactly that and make the journey unnecessary

It has also happened in the past
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
[QUOTE 3891219, member: 259"]What kinds of help and support are they getting on the ground in Syria?[/QUOTE]


Syria Humanitarian Assistance, 2013 - 2015 [GB-1-204007]
Budget: £429,418,713Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development

To deliver emergency humanitarian assistance to people affected by the conflict inside Syria and the wider region

To provide humanitarian assistance to those affected by the Syrian conflict in Syria and the neighbouring countries [GB-1-203216]
Budget: £172,085,849Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
To save lives, reduce suffering and maintain dignity amongst those affected by the Syria crisis, including the provision of medical assistance, shelter and food aid

Support to the United Nations (UN) World Food Programme (WFP) for the Syria crisis. [GB-1-204513]
Budget: £33,000,000Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
To provide essential humanitarian food support to Syrian Refugees in Lebanon, IDPs and the Host community in Syria affected by the on-going Syria Crisis. In Syria, this food support will be delivered through food parcels, and nutrition interventions to support vulnerable groups. In Lebanon, support will be provided through card transfers. This intervention is to support the WFP aspects of the Syria Response Plan and the Lebanon part of the Regional Refugee and Resilience Plan for 2015.

Humanitarian support to the Syria crisis through NGO Agency 7[GB-1-204540]
Budget: £32,228,576Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
All SC programmes are driven by a child-focussed approach that prioritises the needs and voices of children to ensure that their rights are protected and promoted. The SC proposed intervention will work to mitigate the impact of the Syrian conflict on Syrian refugees, IDPs, and host communities. Children and communities in target areas will receive appropriate support to ensure their survival, protection, and resilience.

Support to the United Nations (UN) Children’s Fund (UNICEF) for the Syria crisis [GB-1-204515]
Budget: £26,500,000Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
To provide multi-sectoral support to children and their families affected by the Syria crisis within Syria and in its neighbouring countries

Support to local governance structures in Syria [GB-1-204061]
Budget: £25,800,742Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
To support local governance structures in opposition-held and contested parts of Syria to meet the needs of the community by providing training and financial assistance. This project will help up to 40 communities to meet their urgent needs and provide them with an alternative expirience of governance - one which is transparent and accountable, thereby strengthening the social contract between the state and its citizens. The project will contribute towards the MDGs by reducing poverty and supporting good governance.

Syria Humanitarian Assistance OCHA [GB-1-204530]
Budget: £25,000,000Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
Support to the United Nations (UN) Turkey Humanitarian Pooled Fund and the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) in Syria and the Region

Humanitarian support to the Syria crisis through NGO Agency 3[GB-1-204523]
Budget: £19,360,000Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
Vulnerable men, women and children in Syria protect and sustain themselves against the effect of the conflict

Humanitarian support to the Syria crisis through NGO Agency 6[GB-1-204534]
Budget: £13,176,805Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
Deliver an effective multisectoral response to the Syria crisis in Lebanon and Syria

Humanitarian support to the Syria crisis through NGO Agency 4[GB-1-204537]
Budget: £8,067,822Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
The programme aims at improving the food security status of 816,889 vulnerable persons , in Aleppo and Idlib, affected by the civil war in Syria.

Support to the British Red Cross (BRC) for the Syria crisis [GB-1-205059]
Budget: £8,000,000Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
To provide food and winter Non Food Items to vulnerable Syrians and build the capacity of the Syria Arab Red Crescent to provide aid in Syria.

Technical Assistance for the Syria/Iraq Response [GB-1-204516]
Budget: £8,000,000Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
To improve the humanitarian advisory services and Monitoring & Evaluation capacity to support the response to the Syria/Iraq crisis. Monitoring and evaluation is a critical tool to ensure learning and enhance capacity to undertake the ability to deliver. Expert humanitarian advisory support is critical to sound decision making.

Syria Humanitarian Assistance WHO [GB-1-204517]
Budget: £5,500,000Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
Strengthening and expansion of the health sector response to conflict affected people in the whole of Syria. This will be done through the provision of primary health care services and mental health services, expansion of the early warning alert response survaillence system to disease outbreaks.

Support to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO) for the Syria crisis [GB-1-204511]
Budget: £3,500,000Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
To provide agricultural and livelihoods support to Syrians in response to the crisis in Syria. This includes support to cereal production and backyard vegetable production through the distribution of seeds.

Agricultural Livelihoods Support in Allepo Province (IAMBARI) [GB-1-204751]
Budget: £500,000Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
The programme, approved by the 31 July Conflict Pool Board, will enhance national and sub-national governance whilst developing sustainable support to agriculture. The programme will support those geographic locations where intervention will benefit the Syrian Interim Government’s (SIG) longer term strategy of support in rural Aleppo, and enhance Syria Recovery Trust Fund planned activity.

Governance through education in Syria [GB-1-205048]
Budget: £250,000Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
Strengthened governance structures delivering vital education services to people in opposition-held parts of Syria

Research paper on the War Economy in Syria [GB-1-204921]
Budget: £32,000Status: ImplementationReporting Org: Department for International Development
 

tony111

Veteran
Absolutely no help to this thread, but I once read that the worlds population could stand side by side on the island of Jersey.
 

winjim

Straddle the line, discord and rhyme
Absolutely no help to this thread, but I once read that the worlds population could stand side by side on the island of Jersey.
The world's population seems to find it difficult living side by side anywhere, which I think is the essence of the problem.
 
[QUOTE 3891219, member: 259"]What kinds of help and support are they getting on the ground in Syria?[/QUOTE]


Note the use of the word "if"
 
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