Replacing my folder(s) thoughts

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brommieinkorea

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Currently have a small fleet of British built bikes that are just hell to maintain. Dealers are far and few between , I live in USA. Actual brakes ( rim wreckers are not brakes) would be nice. Whatever happens it will have dynamo powered lights. Yes, I am aware that Cyclechat is in the UK, just interested in hearing some ideas on alternate folders or even mini-velo. Please try to not say the B word.
 
By British built bikes do you mean Raleighs? There aren't any dealers for those left in the UK either.

Braking with steel rims can be made much better with Kool-stop continental pads. Even in the rain, they get much better.

Or Sturmey hubs with drums. They can be great with smaller rims.

As for minivelos - you have a lot more choice in the US than we do!
 
I guess maybe you’re looking for something that uses mostly standard bicycle parts. By the nature of folds and small wheels, most bikes (if not all to some degree) need some specialist parts. There are also compromises to be made… weight, robustness, durability. By “rim wrecking” brakes I suspect you are referring to rim brakes (callipers, V-brakes, cantilevers)… for most folders I think they are a good compromise between utility, simplicity and braking power. Hub brakes are great (I have a trike with some SA drums), are incredibly durable, but are heavy; disks are lighter and more powerful but more fiddly to set up and more at risk of damage.

We don’t really have mini Velos here in the UK, but Moultons use mostly standard transmission components apart from some specific stuff for the suspension (though it’s much lower maintenance than what you get on MTBs). Moultons are hugely popular in SE Asia and a lot of their sales are there. Before someone tells me off, they’re not folders but do come apart for travelling reasonably quickly - not something you’d want to do at the station every morning though.

In the US you have Bike Friday and their Tikit model seemed a good Brompton alternative though I’m not sure if it’s still in production. The other BF models are not as quick to fold but seem to be well made and BF has a strong record for support.
 

berlinonaut

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In the US you have Bike Friday and their Tikit model seemed a good Brompton alternative though I’m not sure if it’s still in production.

The Tikit is out of production for many years already and has been replaced by the Packit which is much simpler but superior in my opinion. The Tikit suffered from an overcomplex design which resulted in various call backs, breaking frames etc..
 

Drago

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Are you looking for an alternative to a Brompton, because there isn't one!

Road.cc heartily disagree, seeing g as the scored my own humble steed higher than every single Brompton.

Could you source a dynohub and have it stiched onto the rim of your choosing? Would vastly widen the pool of bikes to choose from.

Aside from that it comes down to your size/weight, what you want to use it for, what characteristics you prioritise (ride, comfort, compactness, etc).

Dahon, Tern and Carrera are in the 21st century and do disc braked folders, the latter to my knowledge sadly not available over there and the Dahon one not so favoured. The Tern X11 is a real weapon. Sadly none of those are dynohubbed, although if you were a masochist you could run a bottle dynamo.
 
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brommieinkorea

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A cross trainer makes a pretty passable substitute, or John Inman's wrist. Or a blancmange.

Could you source a dynohub and have it stiched onto the rim of your choosing? Would vastly widen the pool of bikes to choose from.

Aside from that it comes down to your size/weight, what you want to use it for, what characteristics you prioritise (ride, comfort, compactness, etc).

Dahon, Tern and Carrera are in the 21st century and do disc braked folders, the latter to my knowledge sadly not available over there and the Dahon one not so favoured. The Tern X11 is a real weapon. Sadly none of those are dynohubbed, although if you were a masochist you could run a bottle dynamo.

Yeah, the Carrera looks like a good deal. Dynohub is always an add on I guess. Only that which shall not be named offered Dyno-lights as an option, and it looks as if they no longer do. The big issue seems to be I can buy another one, but it's impossible to get some parts, and I will have to source my own tools to fix certain things.
I'm not remotely tall and only reasonably fat, so I do fall under weight limits.
Maybe will give Bike Friday another look. Used to own one, they don't fold but rather come apart for travel. Takes 20+ minutes to assemble a Bike Friday, turns out I don't have that kind of patience at the end of the day
 

steveindenmark

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Tern make decent folders and Bike Fridays are nice
 

Drago

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Ah, if you're of mortal weight and dimensions (we call them "normies") then your choice is vast.

Are any of the Shimano dynohubs available over there, new or used?
 
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brommieinkorea

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Ah, if you're of mortal weight and dimensions (we call them "normies") then your choice is vast.

Are any of the Shimano dynohubs available over there, new or used?

Yes, dynohubs are available. I think QBP carries Shimano, which means every bike shop in the US can order one. But stuff with a 74mm old is another matter..
 

Kell

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Other folders I considered.

Oribikes - guy on my train has one. Nice looking. And available in Carbon. Fold not as good, but better gearing. Better looking.

Airnimal Joey - I seriously considered one of these. But as the wheel has to be removed for folding, it's not suitable for commuting IMO. Looks good. Likely to be comfortable and fast rolling with 24" wheels. Expensive in the past, but seems to have held at the same price for years, so now comparable to a Brompton.
 

12boy

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Casper WY USA
There is a huge thread on BikeForums on Swift folders and another one on a new steel Swift made by Origami Cycles. I have one of the aluminum Xootr Swifts which using few proprietary parts. The Origami one has disc brakes and seems to be a klo or so heavier.
As far as minivelos go Bikes Direct sells one called the Mercier periodically which is a little porky but not too bad, around $400, I believe. Velo Orange sells a much much more expensive one, named the Nano. All of these use 20 inch wheels and are normally equipped with derailleurs, although the Xootr Swift has track ends and can be a single speed if you like. The Mercier also has a lengthy thread on BikeForums.
I also have a Mercier which is fun. The Mercier, my Xootr Swift and my 2010 Brompton are all about the same weight but do not ride the same. The Brompton is for me the most comfortable by far while the Mercier, with a much shorter whellbase is the twitchiest. The Swift is in between. Those threads mentioned will provide a lot of info if you are interested. I found it interesting that all three were intended as solutions to urban commuting...Brompton for London, Minivelos for Tokyo and the Swift for New York City and all three have been used for many other purposes.
 

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abcd efg

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Other folders I considered.

Oribikes - guy on my train has one. Nice looking. And available in Carbon. Fold not as good, but better gearing. Better looking.

Airnimal Joey - I seriously considered one of these. But as the wheel has to be removed for folding, it's not suitable for commuting IMO. Looks good. Likely to be comfortable and fast rolling with 24" wheels. Expensive in the past, but seems to have held at the same price for years, so now comparable to a Brompton.

I have a Joey and it's great. I have no commuting experience with it, but I have flown with it three times packed in its Travel Case and each flight has been super. Having the Joey, and being able to fly so easily with it, has opened up a number of touring options that today's railway mess in the UK and in places on the Continent as well, that seemed to be denied to me a year or so ago. Furthermore, the support from Circe, the builders, has been really impressive.
 

berlinonaut

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Airnimal Joey - I seriously considered one of these. But as the wheel has to be removed for folding, it's not suitable for commuting IMO.
I do have a Joey and like it. The OP does not want to commute. But given his criteria:
Currently have a small fleet of British built bikes that are just hell to maintain. Dealers are far and few between , I live in USA. Actual brakes ( rim wreckers are not brakes) would be nice. Whatever happens it will have dynamo powered lights. Yes, I am aware that Cyclechat is in the UK, just interested in hearing some ideas on alternate folders or even mini-velo. Please try to not say the B word.
- not a British brand
- hub dynamo
- disc brakes
the Joey hits one (disc brakes) and misses two (it is a British brand and a having to remove the front wheel for folding is even more annoying with a hub dynamo).
 
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