Retarded development

[biking_fox]

I would suspect that "mad" is seen as differently normal which is a very different beast from the subnormal that retarded implies.

paki is insulting because it is meant as an insult. There is nothing inherently offensive about a vagina - often associated with pleasurably feelings after all, but being called a cnt often offends for the same reason as paki, it is meant to offend.

 

[Riding in Circles]

I honestly don't think I have ignored anything. If I have please let me know what it is. I generally always try and answer all points put to me (I'm not being sarcastic here. I understand that reading that, it might come across that way).

I also realise that you are trying to make light of it. Fair enough, but you haven't conceded the point that I am trying to make which is that my swearing at someone using a term aimed purely at them is different to using terms which describe an unfortunate group of individuals (of course a lot of them don't feel unfortunate!)

I'm not trying to get at you Catrike, I'm sure your a sound bloke, and I certainly appreciate the fact that you won't use the term again, but I just hate the fact that mental illness is generally regarded as the poor cousin of physical illness. Just a sore point with me (work related). It also annoys me slightly that you are taking the piss out of me for trying to highlight one of my principles (people take the piss out of me for many other reasons and that doesn't bother me at all!)

Hey ho. I've said my bit. I have no hard feelings, although I think I may have just lost my cyclechat member discount on the POV.1.....

You can have a POV 1 no problem, special price £700, just for you.

 

[Riding in Circles]

Also folks, make allowances for the fact that magnatom has the added burden of being jockinese.


(what do you mean, that isn't helping?)

 

[BentMikey]

I'm not surprised Catrike ignored your point that retard is more offensive than twat, because like him I don't think it is. I think twat is probably rather worse in the context of your videos, not that I'm any better of course. Like you using twat to describe a person, retard is used here to describe someone who isn't in order to offend them, not a real mentally handicapped person or an actual vagina.

I'm sure we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[magnatom]

Also folks, make allowances for the fact that magnatom has the added burden of being jockinese.


(what do you mean, that isn't helping?)

What's that, half Scottish half Japanese? Actually I do do judo so you might be on to something there.....

 

[Riding in Circles]

What's that, half Scottish half Japanese? Actually I do do judo so you might be on to something there.....

A term used by a scottish friend who describes himself as jockinese living in walthamstan east London.

 

[magnatom]

I'm not surprised Catrike ignored your point that retard is more offensive than twat, because like him I don't think it is. I think twat is probably rather worse in the context of your videos, not that I'm any better of course. Like you using twat to describe a person, retard is used here to describe someone who isn't in order to offend them, not a real mentally handicapped person or an actual vagina.

I'm sure we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I understand that. The problem is, how others see the use of the word. In this case people with mental disability. Of course you and catrike don't mean it to cause offense to the mentally ill, but its use does.

I agree that we will probably have to agree to disagree on this. Do you agree.

Now can I think of any particularly insulting words for someone from the Netherlands.......

 

[Absinthe Minded]

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..getting pulled up by someone with your propensity for obscenity is a bit rich don't you think.

You have agreed that you would use one term and not the other, which makes my point quite nicely. Double standards when it comes to mental illness. I am not suggesting that this is Catrike's problem in particular, but a general problem. I just hope that this discussion might make people think twice about using such terms.

No, I have admitted to using one term and have been unsure as to whether or not I've used the other.[quote']It is entirely possible that Catrike and others (possibly yourself) have just not fully appreciated the insulting nature of the term ret@rd in the same way. I just felt it necessary to point this out.

Believe me, I've had my fair share of experience here - the difference between you and I is that I know when to take things as a joke, and when to be offended. You don't.

 

[magnatom]

No, I've been referring to this all along:No, I have admitted to using one term and have been unsure as to whether or not I've used the other.Believe me, I've had my fair share of experience here - the difference between you and I is that I know when to take things as a joke, and when to be offended. You don't.

This has nothing to do with me being offended. Why would I be offended by anyone calling anyone else a ret@rd? I am lucky as I do not have a learning disability. It is those who have such disabilities or live with such disabilities that are offended. Would you like to ask them if they get the joke?

 

[Absinthe Minded]

This has nothing to do with me being offended. Why would I be offended by anyone calling anyone else a ret@rd? I am lucky as I do not have a learning disability. It is those who have such disabilities or live with such disabilities that are offended. Would you like to ask them if they get the joke?

No, this has to do with you being offended on someone else's behalf, which is worse. If the girl Catrike called a retard actually had a learning disability, his comment would have been in bad taste. Since she didn't, it's meant in an entirely different way. It's a bit like me calling one of my mates a twat in the pub, and me saying "up yours, Magnatom - you're talking a load of bollocks, you big twat".

 

[magnatom]

No, this has to do with you being offended on someone else's behalf, which is worse. If the girl Catrike called a retard actually had a learning disability, his comment would have been in bad taste. Since she didn't, it's meant in an entirely different way. It's a bit like me calling one of my mates a twat in the pub, and me saying "up yours, Magnatom - you're talking a load of bollocks, you big twat".

No. It is know the offense it causes people I work with!

Anyway, there is actually no way of knowing if the girl in question did have a learning difficulty or not. Do you honestly think that you could correctly label someone as normal of mentally disabled in the sort of timescales where you meet drivers on your bike? You should publish your method in Nature!

 

[fossyant]

8 pages and counting.......

 

[Absinthe Minded]

No. It is know the offense it causes people I work with!

Anyway, there is actually no way of knowing if the girl in question did have a learning difficulty or not. Do you honestly think that you could correctly label someone as normal of mentally disabled in the sort of timescales where you meet drivers on your bike? You should publish your method in Nature!

For the purpose of argument, and from Catrike's comments, I'm assuming that she wasn't.

 

[Maz]

I never understood why paki (or p@ki) was offensive in its own right (i.e. not in a derogatory context).

It varies from country to country, tbh.

In the UK, it is inextricably linked to the language of 1970/80s Fascist groups, and still carries those connotations today, more so for those of us that lived through it.

In Australia, on the other hand, I don't think it's viewed as offensive.

 

[Absinthe Minded]

8 pages and counting.......

Thank goodness you're here to keep count.